Ed_Haynes

Just to ompare the two, as I happened to have some things home visiting. Compare #158 with #nothing. Sic transit . . . well, you know the plot-line.

Is that a one piece EK? it looks like it could be a bit dangerous IMHO.

Yes, one-piece. This is why I ask. Bad feelings. But I am far FAR from an expert here.

Over the last month or so, I have gotten to known a local collector. He is an elderly collector (older even than me!). His memory is not entirely clear on when/where he got what, but I do not THINK he has been actively collecting in recent years. There is, happily, none of the "vet-bringback" tall tale nonsense. He has some nice items, but he also has some items that trouble me, deeply, simply because they are (1) beyond my "comfort zone" and (2) are things that my first reaction would be to distrust them. He has loaned me two items to scan and post here for expert opinions. Please let me know what you think so I can share the happy or unhappy news with him.

If you need more detailked scans of anything, please let me know.

Item 1-

Closeup on the two screw-nuts.

I gather there has been an extensive discussion of these on another forum, with a good bit of the "he said, he said" smoky contention that some fora seem to enjoy so much. A problem here may be that some seem to view this as a Soviet award, rather than a Mongolian award (not to get into the touchy issue of how autonymous Mongolia was in these years). Until we know ("know" from research, not just "guess") much more on the manufacturing sourcing of these and the relative balancing of Mongolian vs. Soviet production runs and the demarcation, if any, between the "badge" and the "medal", we may just have to assemble isolated datapoints of specimens with manufacturers shown on the screw-nut. I hope/suspect someone is recording these?

Just to chime in, here are mine. The type one has some replaced enamel (which i sort of like, says it was worn and loved and adds character) and the screw-nut is missing one of its ears (ditto).

No problem, Dolf, just glad (realy glad) to see you over here!!

Help us disentangle all the mysteries of Mongol awards, please. We know so little. It is fun!

(I shall be asking the fabled Dr. B about this this summer.)

Ed,

Mongolian Border Guards Badges?

There are 2 pages full of them in Dr. Battusig's book (pages 88 and 89) ! I guess we do have the same book!

I have myself a small collection of these Border Guards Badges ( 19 in all, counting different types and variations ) as it is a subject I like.

Also like the State Security ones theme, Police, Army and Agriculture, and do have a decent collection on all these themes.

Dolf

Well, no, Dolf. The question was about GUARDS (military) badges (similar to the Soviet, Cuban, etc. guards badges discussed by Paul on orther threads here), not BORDER Guards. Border guards we all know.

So sorry, Dolf. Very sorry.

Welcome here, the #1 place for Medals Mongolian!!

Ed

As it (almost) says on the bumper-sticker:

Revolutions Happen

???

Great history of events..

I see there is a mixture of bills some czarist and some provisional.

I have alot of paperwork and stocks cash etc. from my Grandparents.

Also have there property documents of properties owned before and after 1917..

I guess they thought they could return and reclaim what was rightfully theres.

Thanks for posting

George

Many of my students' families (in South Carolina) still keep Confederate currenty and loan certificates, believing that it will be of some value (and we are NOT talking to collectors) "SOME DAY".

Right . . . !!!

Tha human capacity for delusion is amazing.

Fascinating history, thank you for sharing this. We need to try to understand our "hobby", these chunks of metal and cloth, as what they are: remnants of human history and of lives otherwise lost to us. Thanks again!

Oh . . . so sad . . . and well worth checking with the vendor to see if things got improperly packed.

Still, as you so rightly observe, all else is wondrous . . .

Nice.

Maybe not all that exciting in the context of this thread, but

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4129&st=4

just as a footnote.

Thanks, Matthias, for clarification. I should never refer only to my memory while taking antibiotics. Thanks again. We really need a good reference source on Chinese (Republic, Warlord, PRC, Taiwan) awards!

Oooooh ... very pretty, research should be fun.

My understanding is that most of these are from Taiwan ("Republic of China"), post-Civil War, mainly 1950s. There are wartime (WWII and CW) pieces, much cruder and uglier (= less baroque). No good sources on these though (or was there an old [JOMSA piece . . . ??).

Nice one, but almost TOO pretty.

The Chinese People's Liberation Army forced the way across the victory badge of the ChangJiang River on April 21, 1949

http://www.medal.com.cn/Newswen/04.htm

A very good website which died and has not been reborn. It holds much promise:

http://www.medal.com.cn/

This is a very very pretty -- and uncommon -- one. But, I agree, the conditions of sale leave something (almost everything?) to be desired. Too bad, but some SERIOUS stack of yuan!!

One more.

WWI whites.

Obviously never awarded. Probably one of those illegal maunfacturer "escapees"?

But, even, "as-is", illegal for a US citizen to own.

Being a close "known associate" of Beria, after his fatal fall from grace in 1953, it may well have been that this fellow was arrested and spent some years in the Gulag atoning. While it seems obvious that his actual OBH was returned to him, the Orders Book which accompanied it may well have been lost in the "process."

Orrrr... he just wrote it in himself to have everything in one place.

The "Certifcate" certainly documents THAT specific numbered OBH to him, and is quite nice-- a version of the military "Temporary Certificates" I have never seen for a civilian award before.

With Georgia, we're out of literal territory I know anything about normal bureaucratic practices for. Everything I've ever had has come from the Leningrad-Moscow-Kiev urban clusters.

Yeah, and this scenario is why I thought that -- if the story could be exchavated -- it could be quite a nice one!

I'm sure the Master-Researcher would appreciate the challenge. He is getting great fun out of civil awards, I think.