Ed_Haynes

I hope that, when "the book" comes, we relax our discrete approach and engage in a moment of shameless capitalism and speak out loud where it is available, what the title is, and so on. All this wink-wink may be very cute, but it only allows them as already knows to make shelf space for the book.

If "good", most screwback RBs are well worth researching.

A quick search of the FreeBMD database shows a HARRY.BERNARD.F CAMFIELD born September Quarter 1899 in Portsea. So he was underage (or lied) to get in. That would place his working career well into Queen Elizabeth's reign.

And the London Gazette shows Gazette his ISM as a scientific assistant, Haslar.

Well done, Michael!

Shhhh.... it's a secret!

Just kidding... a new book is scheduled to come out this Spring that details Soviet military awards by serial number and Ukaz/Prikaz date. That way, you'll be able to see that Red Banner 2XX,XXX was awarded on 10 May 1945 by Prikaz number XX of the 1st Belorussian Front, etc. It will allow folks to pin down within a reasonable certainty what awards were issued for what operation.

Dave

Interesting, Dave, interesting. Not wanting to hijack this thread, but please give more details somewhere, when available. I had always thought there was too much "looseness" in the wartime Soviet awards system to pin awards down this closely and pseudoscientifically. Would be happy to be proved wrong (once again).

don't ask me why, but i like the mongol stuff

but i'm happy that i'm definately not the only one - so i would guess im still normal

christian

"Normal"? By the standards of this forum, ABSOLUTELY!

Of course, when the new book comes out, you'll be able to know for sure...

Details, please, . . . ????

Let me chime in with my novice agreement with Rusty.

And do let us know what you find!

I have gotten good off-list information from several of our forum's denizens, and shall be updating. Will do so when I get brave enough to think again about the Polar Star, that is!

See what little we have over at the OMSA Database:

http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=625

Access is daunting, Access is a pain, I think it is intended to be that way. If you want, I can rummage up what I have been using and send it along to see what it will do for you.

All I have used is a very unsatisfactory thing I tinkered together in MS Access.

You're looking for something specific to Masonic medals? Heck, it is hard enough to find anything that work for medals!!

Bob is right . . .

. . . Mongolia conceals many mysteries . . .

. . . medals aside, it'll be interesting to disentangle.

Ed

4place bar

Fascinating bar, with no other 3rd Reich awards?!

And the reverse:

Much like the silver one (scans badly) I have to V. B. Lavrinovich.

See http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2326 for his group and story.

Never forget that these groups are not THINGS, they are a person's life. As close as they will ever get to immortality. A century from now, only the custodians of THEIR medals and DOCUMENTS will know or care about what they did. This ain't money, friends, this is recapturing and preserving a slice of lost history and faded humanity.

Groups like this are the real people come alive. We have a DUTY to study and preserve. This is why I am learning Russian, grumble . . . . .

No, Rick is, as always, right: not a matter of resale, but a matter of being able to get a few lovelies which they are still out there. If I do no house them, someone else does, just so long as they go to a loving home. If I was into investment, I'd be a different person.

I just find the theater of the explodoing Mongol market to be of much sociological interest. See what a book can do!!

Could it be anything else than a Tammy? Rick? Oh Rick? Tammy .....

Deja vu all over again?

I was glancing through some olf issues of the JOMSA today, and ran across a piece by Tom Likfa in the April 1997 issue. Likfa had done a number of really important, pre-McDaniel-Schmitt, pieces on Soviet awards in the JOMSA. Likfa is giving an interesting "where do things stand now in 1997" overview of Soviet awards collecting.

He points out how much prices have gone down from the earliest days (pre-1991), but how much they are climbing for their immediate post-1991 lows. He attributes some of this to more people collecting, some of this to pressure from collectors in Russia, and some of this to the availability of reference sources (Herfurt and Kutsenko's books, but with McD-S on the near horizon). He also points out the research possibilities which were quite new at that time.

He bemoans the fact that ca. 1994 you could get a Suvarov 2nd class for $1600, but that "now" (1997) it might cost $2500 or more. (I note one right now with a dealer in New Jersey for $14,800!) He predicts that prices will continue to climb.

Right . . .

It's not really post Dr B, since it's number A6.4 in his book.

The main variations of this title are :

-Choibalsan State prize, with Choibalsan's portrait 1945-1962 (A6.1)

-State prize with old state seal 1962-1970 (A6.2-3)

-State prize with 1970's state seal and 10 "curls" since 1970(A6.4)

-State prize with 1970's state seal and 14 "curls" (Herfurth M48)

Jan

Oops, thanks, Jan! Was working from memory = without a net, always a bad idea.

How can you even stand to unwrap it??

Wow!

I was sent this in an e-mail. Is this what I guess it is? A contemporary post-Battushig State Prize??

Just to chime in with another "looks OK, possible, unlikely" half-nod of confidence. As Peter suggests, I suspect the eFakers would have turned their attention to something more sexy than this. Clearly, we would seem to have an aging postman or some such here.