Ed_Haynes

While not (quite, at all?) what you're asking, they were awarded to VCOs (Viceroy's Commissioned Officers, subadars, risaldars, jemadars, etc.) in the Indian Army from inception of the MC through Indian Independence in 1947. Have several of those from WWII (none from WWI, only know of one of those "in captivity").

Closeup attached.

Doesn't look like a woman to me, but the work is pretty crude. As a good friend in Shainghai is very proud that her mother was killed in Korea fighting the Americans in what she described to me as a "Pork Chop Hill" kind of action, . . . .

I would guess, given the iconography of the day, that this is a North Korean and Chinese soldier (of ambiguous gender), united in their opposition to American imperialism (or whatever).

I have sent scans to friends in China, but they are not very rigorous in reading e-mail. And our usual visiting professor from China didn't come this year. Since I also have a couple of boxes of those (marginal to us) "Mao Pins" I want translated, . . . !

I would guess this is one of that plethora or provincial Korean War medals/badges, and as it was numbered it was apparently one that someone took seriously enough to list out.

I believe a roll existed (exists?) in Colombo. Work currently underway on Ceylonese/Sri Lankan medals may reveal all. I am asking the experts.

Nice, thanks.

You may also want to consult Lukasz Gaszewski's fine site:

http://www.medals.lava.pl/ru/ru1.htm

The name(s) sure don't help us much. (I love those PRC names!) And I haven't found much that that date could commemorate??

This second badge is interesting. I have three specimens of the same badge (all different from and less crude than the e$cam specimen). They were sent to me by my main medals contact in Baghdad. They arrived in the US two days before the invasion (unopened by US customs, though a package of xeroxes that arrived from France the same day was opened, all the documents were unstapled, and the loose pages repackaged out of order -- I feel safer now). My friend in Baghdad promised an ID of the badges and more information on other mystery Iraqi awards "soon". I have heard nothing from him since. I do know that his neighborhood of Baghdad got "liberated" into dust.

Never seen it before. Suspect ribbon is NOT original, as is the Gulf War II war medal ("Mother of Battles") ribbon. Another Iraqi made-to-order "mule", but the medal looks interesting.

Trying to squint-out the legend . . . .

Frankly miscellaneous medals that don't fit neatly into any of the other PRC threads here.

The Souvenir Medal for the PLA Awarded by the National People's Saluting Delegation / Whole Nation People's Delegation Pay Respect to People's Liberation Army Commemorative Medal

These names are not exactly elegant. Dated 17 Febnruary 1954. Some sort of commemorative medal?

RMM 820, p. 85; ZGHZ 355 p. 113

While I hope this becomes a thread for identifying mystery PRC awards (that do not appear in the two standard references -- Illustrated Collection of Badges in the Chinese People's Revolutionary Military Museum and that "other book," small, softback, all-Chinese, something about "Zhong Guo Hui Zhang" -- of which cannot readily be found in those books), I guess we could also "chew on" the fantasy, "mule" medals that frequently appear on e$cam to frustrated PRC medal collectors.

1- Tentative ID as "Jilin Province Merit Medal" - dated 1961

The Huai-hai Naval Campaign Victory Medal Presented by the Central China of the PLA

RMM 524, p. 52; ZGHG 236, p. 72

The Medal for the North China Liberation

RMM 533, p. 53; ZGHG 227, p. 69

The Liberate Northwest China Medal Presented by the Military and Political Committee of Northwestern China

RMM 529, p. 53; ZGHG 228, p. 69

The ribbon treatment is unusual.

Here arre a few more additions to this old thread.

While my specimens are not in great condition, they do constitute some of the few items from the PRC about which we can be reasonable certain in the otherwise shifting swamp of PRC medals. While soem of these have been reproduced and some of these may be questionable, others are in such poor condition that they must be real. I present them for commentary and discussion as much as for information.

For reference, I shall refer to two items:

-- RMM - Illustrated Collection of Badges in the Chinese People's Revolutionary Military Museum

-- ZGHG - that "other book," small, softback, all-Chinese, something about "Zhong Guo Hui Zhang"

Sorry, my Chinese language skill is close to zero ("Liang ping pi jiao!").

The Liberate Southwest China Military Medal Presented by the Southwest Military Zone of the PLA

RMM #530, p. 53; ZGHG shows two varieties, 229, p. 69, and 270, p. 70 for next of kin (two extra characters above the pin on the reverse), this is the first "normal" variety)

Oh . . . though I was going blind(er) . . . .

Usually, it would have been lynching, not tar and feather, but less bureaucratic for sure.

Yes, when you conjoin an revolution and a civil war it gets nasty; lots of "loyalists" were killed by revolutionaries in the British North American colonies in the aftermath of 1776 (and vice versa).

Thanks for this - the reality of any civil war.

I get nice black backgrounds by scanning at night with lights off and scanner top open - it gives a nice non-existent black background.

Hooray! Envy exudes!!

Yes . . . the perennial trade-off -- and I am never certain where I come down: pretty, pristine, and untouched or soaked in history (and beaten up by that same history)?

Neither is cheap, but sometimes quality costs. Likewise, while no dealer (or collector) is perfect, there is something to be said for dealing with established and trusted folks -- you may pay a premium for that, but . . . ??

Churchll when made High Lord of the Admiraltily was asked abot sailing traditions. He replied " Rum Sodomy and the lash "

Actually, it was my understanding that when Churchill was First Lord and spearheaded the move to shift the navy from burning coal to buring oil in 1912 (whence many problems, of course), he was attacked for proposing something contrary to naval traditions. Winnie responded in parliament that, so far as he knew, there were only three RN traditions: "Rum, buggery, and the lash."

Not entirely - I have kept horses - or been kept by them ....

Sorry for the digression . . .

Why do I consistently read the initial "Pf" in the title of this topic thread as an "M"??

. . . back on topic . . . .