Ed_Haynes

Naming for the star would be on the back, for the medals on the rim. While occasional unnamed medals do creep in, an all-unnamed group is a cause for GREAT concern (even more so than it would be for a WWII Indian group). Frankly, I'd say it is all assembled for resale.

One I'd avoid. Sorry.

Wow. Lovely.

Research?

Well, Rick and I had a good day yesterday. T1V2

This is what I got.

Engraved serial # 9231, screwback...@ 1960ies? mayhap a long service award?

Nice 'en. Long service is not a bad guess, but we'll never know until research clicks in.

Since we have no documented data points between 7760 (1950) and 19346 (1984) there is quite a gulf. Again, research will fill all the blanks.

By the way, are these the equal of the Soviet military combat medal?

Something of a combination of the two? Direct parallels to the Soviet system are difficult, though there is some similarity (obviously).

Just spoke to The Researcher. He has had some personal issues but, more importantly, there have been top-level staff changes at the archives and a cut-back of front-line staff (who actually help find the stuff). A delay, but he thinks things are getting back on track.

Pray to whatever gods you worship . . . .

Nice. What is the naming and are all medals named?

Wow!

While they may not be as tangible as the "metal sparklies", these documents tell the tale -- both politically and artistically -- even better.

And your ability to scan these "big boys" makes me envious!

Actually, I am assuming post-1947 variety. May not be. Which type??

Hi,

16067 L-NK (lance corporal) AJMER SINGH M.A.T.C.

Do you know any Indian Army Records website or email address available to research for this medal above? Very hard to find.

No, not now. Technically, this is illegal.

What is M.A.T.C. stand for?

This is a new one and a tremendous puzzle for me. Shall ask around.

I would like to find out more information about this medal?

Many thanks

Mr JSKang

The medal, easy. A good new book deals with it in detail . His medal? More difficult.

The jumbled naming suggests a recent issue, as the naming duties have now been shoved down to the regiments and they usually make a hash of it (much nicer with Hindi naming).

India. Sainya Seva Medal. Clasp "Bengal-Assam".

What is the naming?

#1048.104 (p. 117) in a recently published book.

See also: http://faculty.winthrop.edu/haynese/india/...sainyaseva.html

Let me know if you need ribbon.

Colonel Daud Khan, Sardar Bahadur, Alwar Imperial Service Infantry (Commandant)

1- Order of British India, first class, type 1, 1839-1939

OBI 1 ? H&A, p. 23, for Egypt. IAL January 1919, 3:1968, shows date of admission to OBI 1 as 3 June 1916.

OBI 2 ? 1 January 1904?? (IAL, January 1919, 3:1967?)

2- China War Medal 1900 - Asst Comdt Daud Khan, Alwar I. S. Infy.

3- 1914-15 Star - unnamed (ribbon backward)

4- British War Medal - unnamed

5- Victory Medal - unnamed

6- Delhi Durbar 1911 - Col. Daod Khan Bahadur Commandant Alwar I. S. Infy.

Entered service 1 April 1885.

Appointed to the regiment 1 November 1888.

Colonel commandant 16 August 1909.

As so many medals are unnamed, there is concern about "restoration", but it came from a good source, close to the family. Who knows?

1257 Farrier-Major William Vaz, 31st Lancers

An interesting partial group that raises many questions.

1- British War Medal - named "1257 FAR-MAJ. W. VAZ, 31 LRS.""

2- Indian Army Long Service and Good Conduct Medal, Edward VII - named "1257 Sowar William Vaz, 31st D. of C.O. Lcrs"

Another "ex-Wallace Collection" group.

2208 Sepoy Hardit Singh, 31st Bengal Infantry

1- Central Africa Medal - "2208 Sepoy Hardit Singh, 31st Bl Infy"

2- India Medal 1895 - PUNJAB FRONTIER 1897-98, MALAKAND 1897 - "2208 Sepoy Hardit Singh, 31st Bl Infy"

I wonder if you've ever run across medals to the Tata family. We used to work with his empire when i was travelling to India.

Hugh

The medals that the company awards to their workers for long service are rather common.

Jehangir Ratanji Dadabhai Tata was awarded the Bharat Ratna in 1992, a unique award of the highest national honour to a capitalist.

164 Sepoy Fazl Din, 33rd Punjab Infantry

1- Second Afghan War, 1878-80 - Sepoy Fazl Din 21st Regt N. I.

2- India General Service Medal, 1854-95 - WAZIRISTAN 1894-95 - 164 Sepoy Fazl Din 33d Bl Infy

3- India Medal, 1895-1902, Victoria - PUNJAB FRONTIER 1897-98 - 164 Sepoy Fazl Din 33d Pjb Infy

4- Indian Army Long Service and Good Conduct Medal, Victoria 1888 issue - 164 Sepoy Fazl Din 33d Bl Infy

As a regiment, the 21st Bengal Infantry received no medals or clasps between 1869 and 1891, other than no clasp Afghanistan 1878 awards for service in the Kurram Field Force. From his name it is evident that Fazl Din was a Punjabi Muslim, and he would have transferred to the 33rd [Punjabi 'Mahomedan'] Regiment of Bengal Infantry in 1891. In accordance with orders received in January 1891, the 33rd Bengal Infantry was disbanded and then immediately re-raised with a substantially modified class structure- hence the transfer of Punjab Muslims from the 21st Bengal Infantry, including Fazl Din. The 33rd Bengal Infantry went on to serve with the Waziristan Field Force from November 1894 to March 1895 and then with the Tochi Field Force between June 1897 and March 1898, earning the 1854 and 1895 India General Service medals with appropriate clasps. It was not present in any other field operations until the Great War.

Only one of many groups acquired from the collection of Tony Wallace, a well-known US collector and student of South Asian awards. As Tony passed away two days back (complications of ALS) I present this group, somewhat randomly selected, as a memorial to Tony. A true gentleman.

1175 Havildar Nawaz, 127th Princess of Wales's Own Baluch Light Infantry

1- East and Central Africa Medal "LUBWA'S", "UGANDA 1897-98" - 1175 Pte: NAWAZ 27/BO: L: INF: - only 88 for this clasp combination

2- Africa General Service Medal, 1902-1956, Edward VII issue "SOMALILAND 1908-10" - 1175 HAVDr NAWAZ. 127 BALUCHI L.I.

Deputy Inspector-General of Police Mohmed Quadir Ali, I.P.S., Mysore

1- President's Police and Fire Services Medal for Distinguished Service "M. Quadir Ali, I.P.S., D.I.G. Mysore"

Not. No. 3-Pres./66 of 26 January 1966 (Gazette of India, 5 February 1966, p. 75):

"Shri Mohmed Quadir Ali, I.P.S.

"Deputy Inspector General of Police

"Central Range

"Bangalore, Mysore"

2- Police Medal for Meritorious Service, 1st variety "M. Quadir Ali, I.P.S., D.I.G. Police, Mysore"

Notficaton No. 5-Pres./59 of 26 January 1959 (Gazette of India, 31 January 1959, p. 52):

"Shri Mohamed Quadir Ali, .I.P.S., Deputy Inspector General of Polce, Southern Range, Mysore."

3- Police Independence Medal, 1950

As there has been some interest expressed (though, oddly, most of the interest has been in the few odd items to Europeans?), I'll add a few more items.

Ramanlal Gokaldas Saraiya

Padma Bhushan

A Compilation of the Recipients of Bharat Ratna and Padma Awards, p. 130:

"Padma Bhushan (1963)

"10. Shri Ramanlal Gokaldas Saraiya

"A pioneer in the field of cooperative Sri Ramanlal Gokaldas Saraiya has rendered valuable cooperation to develop the cooperative movement in India. He has been Chairman and Vice-Chairman of many State and All-India level organisations like Bombay State Cooperative Bank, All India Cooperative Organisation, National Development and Storage Board, etc.

"Shri Saraiya is a member of many important Commerce Organisations of the country. In 1953-54 he was Chairman of the Federation of Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industry and a Director of Reserve Bank of India and Indian Insurance Corporation.

"Shri Saraiya is Chairman of Maharashtra State Road Transport Corporation since 1954. Under his skillful supervision the Corporation has made a big progress and now it is thought that among the Public Sector Undertakings its management is the best."

The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, 2nd type, Officer

Ramanlal Gokaldas Saraiya, Esquire, J.P., Partner Messrs. Narandas Rajaram and Company, Bombay - recommended by the Governor of the Punjab, 1 January 1942

Recommendation in PSV, 18(9)-H/1941:

"Mr. Saraiya is a prominent businessman of Bombay. He is a member of the Indian Merchants' Chamber, Bombay, and was appointed by the Government of India as a non-official adviser to the Indo-Japanese delegation. He is actively associated with the Indian Central Cotton Committee and has served on most of the Sub-Committees appointed by that Committee. Mr. Saraiya has been a director of the Bombay Provincial Co-Operative Bank since 1932, and its Chairman since 1938, and has done much to improve the financial position of the Bank. He is also Chairman of the Bombay Co-Operative Banks Association, and has been most helpful in organising the better working of the Urban and Central Banks in the Province. His work generally on behalf of the Co-Operative Banks has been admirable, and he also gave useful advice in connection with the drafting and introduction of the Agricultural Debtors' Relief Act. Mr. Saraiya is actively assisting the War effort. He is an A.R.P. Group Warden, has contributed generously to the War Gifts Fund, and has made large investments in Defence Bonds and Savings Certificates."

Biography in The India & Pakistan Year Book & Who's Who, 1948, p. 1307:

"SARAIYA, Ramanlal Gokaldas, O.B.E., J.P., B.A., B.Sc. Cotton Merchant and Chairman, Narandas Rajaram & Co., Ltd., Bombay. b. 16 Jan. 1898. m. Padmavati, daughter of Sir Purshotamdas Thakurdas, Kt. of Bombay, 1920: 3 s. Educ.: Gujerat College, Ahmedabad; Wilson College, Bombay and Imperial College of Science and Technology, London; Matric. (1914), B.A. (Hon.) 1919; -- Dakshina Fellow, Wilson College, 1919-20; B.Sc. (1920); took post-graduate course in Chemical Engineering in England and diploma of City and Guilds of London Institute in oils and fats and also in soap manufacturing; elected Fellow of the Chemical Society, London. After return to India, joined Rajaram & Co., in 1922; became its partner in 1926 and Vice-Chairman since its conversion fo limited company in 1944; Chairman of the All-India Co-Operative Planning Committee, 1944-45; member, Agricultural Finance Sub-Committee of the Govt. of Inda, and Co-Operative Training Committee appointed by Govt. of Bombay; Chairman, Bombay Provincial Co-Operative Bank Ltd., Bombay Co-Operative Banks Association, Bombay Board of the United Commercial Bank, Ltd.; Director, Hind Cycles Ltd., Madhusudan Mills Ltd., The United Salt Work and Industries Ltd., Sutlej Cotton Mills Ltd., Narandas Rajaram & Co. (Africa) Ltd., etc.; Vice-President, Indian Central Cotton Committee; member, Committee of the Indian Merchants Chamber, Coulcil of the Imperial Indian Citizenship Asson., Provgincial Rural Development Board, Provincial Board of Supervision, Provincial Food and Commodities Advisory Board and of the Crops & Soil Wing of the Board of Agriculture, 1943 & 1945; Fellow of the Indian Institute of Bankers. Clubs: Orient, Willingdon, Cricket Club, Bombay. Address: Vasant Vihar, 85, Nepean Sea Road, Bombay."

(has his photo)

He appears in (many) other annual editions of this and other biographical sources.

I also have the award documents for both awards as well as his His City and Guilds of London, Department of Technology, silver prize medal for "Technological Innovation". It is named on the edge "RAMAMLAL GOKALDAS SARAIYA, SOAP MANUFACTURE. 1st PRIZE, 1921."

And the (fairly) well known Belarus medal for the 10th anniversary of the withdrawal.

And (another I don't have) an image of the medal for the 10th anniversary of withdrawal from the Russian Association of Afghan War Invalids. (Interesting use of a ripe poppy in the design.)

Another image (I do not have the medal) from the Russian Union of Afghan Veterans.

And another medal for the same anniversary.

Inside (unissued).

And the document.

Not Umalatov medals, but rather awards of veterans' societies.

For the 15th anniversary of the Soviet withdrawal.