Ed_Haynes

Finally . . . .

Up the chain of command (and an interesting trip it was).

Part 2.

Recommendation, part 1

Translation.

Order booklet Zh-216370

1. Last name: Alimov

2. Name and Patrionymic: Giez

3. Rank: Reserve Sergeant

4. Sex: Male

5. Birthyear: 1924

6. Birthplace: Beshnaiman Pastdargomskii Region, Samarkand Oblast

7. Party Membership: since 1947

8. Education: Higher

9. Nationality: Uzbek

10. Service in the Red Army: 8.1942-7.1945

11. Place of service and duty position at time of awarding: 145 Rifle Division, 473 Rifle Regiment ? Rifle Squad Leader

12. Place of service and duty position at the current time: Samarkand Oblast, Pastdargomskii Region, ?Comsomol? Collective Farm, School #31 - Teacher

13. Home of Record: Samarkand Oblast, Pastdargomskii Region, Beshnaiman

14. Awards

Award Serial Number Awarder

Red Star 3.616.601 Supreme Soviet dated 12.6.68

Verified 6.11.68 by Pastdargomskii Regional Military Commissariat Lieutenant Colonel Chugin

Reverse.

While the medal and document is "in the mail", here is the research. Red Star #3616601 to be added when in hand.

The record card.

Back to topic: A very interesting badge for those who fought for the liberation of their country.

It is just that "commie" is a politically inflamatory term. But I'm sure you knew that and intended it thus.

Why "commie"??????????

Thanks, all. I assume that when the relevant states ceased to exist at the end of the Great War, such "quality control" also ended? Or did it even survive to the end of the war?

Yowie! That is a really early 2nd class!!!

OK, I am feeling incredibly stupid, so be gentle with me: How difficult is it to say what is a "fake" and what is not when there was no central manufacturing (or even quality control, especially as the war went on, and after the war when the issuing States were quite extinct?) of these awards? There was no Royal Mint, no Mondovor. You were awarded the order, you went off to some local jeweler and bought it. (Like French awards?) So what is real, what is fake? Micro-dissection seems odd as any maker could, I presume, make it pretty much as they wished and in whatever form they could sell? And did this change over time? It may be a question of what is "period"? But what period? Pre-1918 or post-1918? What is "real" and what isn't? Trying to learn here, but VERY confused.

Thanks, Rick, I think (think?) I know the answers to at least some of these, but let me ask directly and answer coherently. If others could continue Rick's numbering, this would help me (and Bat). I'll have internet for a bit in UB, but after the first few days I cannot guarantee.

I agree completely with Rick (on this ). A zero-tolerance and total boycott policy should be in place. Why sell to such scum in the first place?? I am, frankly, amazed at and scandalized by the "wink-wink but it was his property anyway" attitude that often emerges. Shame, shame, as it is deserved . . . .

Ed: No documents or photos :-( , owners often don't like to sell documents or anything that has their name on it... I am sure you understand.

All too common. I have found (outside Yugoslavia) that if you maintain occasional informal contact with the family, the day may come when they are willing to pass on other items, at least we can always hope.

Individual items are nice things, but a group is a person's history!

Starting early next week, I'll be in Mongolia for several weeks. I shall, of course, be meeting up with Battushig and others. Item #1 on my agenda to explore will be the question of research, conjoined with the question of movement toward a 2nd edition of Bat's book. What other questions need to be raised? What gnaws at you and tweaks your curiosity?

Please add these here.

Setting aside the immense and fairly shameful controversy over Pun's medals, I sincerely doubt this is the original VC. Most museums do not display the real ones. As the New Zealanders learned to thei peril.

No reverse images? Offhand, I'd think "Museum Replica" (= "Nice Fake").

UB Post, 8 May 2008

90 soldiers will attend the Victory

Written by Sh.Batmonkh

Thursday, May 08, 2008.

Commemorations for the 63rd anniversary of the Victory Day of the former USSR in World War Two will be held in the Siberian Region of Russia on May 9.

General M.Khurlee, general inspector of the General Staff of the Mongolian Armed Forces and over 90 soldiers left to attend the event for Siberian region on May 6.

They will place a wreath on the monument of a soldier who died during war.

A Mongolian soldier will also attend the parade of event, reported the daily Ardchilal newspaper.

On 16 April 1945, the Russian Red Army attacked Berlin. After days of fierce battle, the Nazis signed the surrender report in Karlskhorstod Germany.

At that event, there were leaders of Russia, USA, Great Britain and France.

Under Soviet influence this day was widely celebrated in Mongolia, although there was no involvement of Mongolia in the European front during WW2.

http://ubpost.mongolnews.mn/index.php?opti...1&Itemid=36

UB Post, 22 May 2008

President Awarded Russian Medal

Written by Sh.Batmonkh

Thursday, May 22, 2008.

President N.Enkhbayar made a short visit to Russia last week, during which he was awarded the Pushkin Medal by his new Russian counterpart, Dmitry Medvedev.

Enkbayar received the medal for his great contribution to promoting the Russian language, preserving cultural heritage and bringing cultures and peoples closer together during a ceremony in Moscow last Friday (May 16).

The two leaders discussed strengthening cooperation in Northeast and Central Asia and bilateral economic relations.

Enkhbayar congratulated Dmitry Medvedev on his inauguration as President of Russia and said he was confident that Russia and Mongolia would continue their close cooperation.

Both also exchanged views on the organization of the 70th anniversary of Great Victory for Khalkh Gol War.

http://ubpost.mongolnews.mn/index.php?opti...iew&id=1833

I think this is one of those cases where names need to be named.

Nice to see a group to a known individual. Did any documents or photographs accompany the group?

I fear --and shall soon report in detail -- that the completely insane prices in the recently published price guide book will destroy the Ulanbaatar market is the book makes it out there.

Thank you for that very kind complement, it is surely not deserved. I ran into the academic publishing rat race when I used to teach at the U.S. Army war College. I'm not a historian, just an old retired operator who still is trying to figure stuff out in the imperial world. I would love to publish in some other magazines but have not made any effort to contact them. I'm well on my way to completing a book on the subject.

Frankly I think Playgirl missed the mark. They have badly underestimated how many girls think the Wehrordnung is sexy.

Should you wish some serious suggestions, contact me off list (e-mail better than PM just now, since that needs a serious housecleaning).