Luke

Meaning........? problem?

http://www.derrittmeister.com/productpages/33154.htm

Cheers,

Luke

Hey guys. Just trying to do this reply via blackberry...first attempt didn't go so well. DR19 is the only possibility unless cockades were switched on the visor. That was the only Oldenburg Cav Regt. I have pics but they are property of the dealer I bought it from I will try to post pics when I have the visor in hand next week. The visor itself can be seen on derrittmeister.com under just in from Germany. Don't think its been removed yet. Has good shots of crown and initials. Thanks Rick love to get more info on this guy!

Yup-- I'm not good on uniforms, but looks like both were the same, and the Oldenburg cockade would limit it to those two regiments.

Since cavalry regiments kept their colored caps during the war and didn't switch over to Feldgrau, not sure how that might help distinguish a pre-war from a wartime cap.That could complicate the suspects list, since the family used the same names (many many names) over and over and it comes down to Rufnamen to sort them out.

Anybody have a Stammliste for DR 19?

Wrong title, wrong date, incomplete name clues... which is why it is ALWAYS best to fully SHOW AND TELL right up front...

saves a phenomenal amount of wasted time and wasted effort.

DR 18 and DR 19 both had the same cap colors, I think (Chip?)... but assuming that Baron CE is correct-- and like Saint Thomas-- I prefer to SEE, no further "corroboration" being valid without visual confirmation,

As it happens I have the genealogy of the Barons von Eltz-Rübenach as well as his promotions/transfers from Rank Lists (joined DR 19 between October 1913 and May 1914) and can post that with some visual confirmation of the initials and unit of the cap.

APPEARS without such confirmation to be Max CLEMENS Mariano Maria Joseph Hubert Freiherr v. E-R (1878-1940), younger brother of Hitler's first Minister of Post and Transportation, who was purged in 1937 as a Catholic activist anti-Nazi.

Clemens was recalled for WW2 and died as a Major zV.

I`m quite sure, 1911 was a `circa`date

Hi Mike. I think you located our man

Looked around on the internet a bit while there seems to be a few Eltz-Rübenach, I found a German site that made reference to

Eltz-Rübenach, Clemens Reichsfreiherr v. und zu, Rittmeister ausser Diensten ... that would certainly bring the "C" into the equation.

Thanks again guys for the help! Much appreciated.

Luke

Hi Rick,

Sorry it was my error - the cypher is a seven pointed Freiherr Crown (not Graf) with initials CE beneath. Visor belonging to this regiment.

That's fantastic - thanks for the help - unfortunately I'm looking for a Graf with an "E" - thinking he may have been a junior officer perhaps a bit later (1911/1912)

Luke

Closest I have is from 1909 - hope that helps

Hi - I was hoping someone out there had a copy of (ideally) a 1911 (or around there) ranklist - looking specifically for an officer list from Oldenburg Dragoon Regt #19.

Thanks in advance,

Luke