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Did anybody else get this email? I now about 2 people including myself:

Von: St. Petersburg Antique Shop

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Januar 2007 09:04

An: XXXXXXXXXXX

Betreff: New Year Catalogue

Dear Sirs,

We have received your address and information from the National Chamber of Commerce with the help of our export partner KANAT Financial Group.

We are sorry if this information can not be interesting for you.

We do require the professional advice, our client does have a interesting collection of military antiques.

If you would allow us to send you this information, so we might have your advice and might offer you the pieces as well, if you would have an interest in them.

Our client would like to sell them as one lot on 25-30% below market price. He would be interested to send the pieces for the inspection to a respectable dealer and receive a fair price for these pieces. All these pieces have and official and clear provenance history and can be officially exported our of the country.

There are 3 catalogues of antique arms (pistols, swords, sabres)

WW II military pieces (uniforms, arms and memorabilia)

Military technic of USSR, European, USA origin.

Medals, orders and decoration of 18th - 20th centuries.

Please require the full catalogue of every part of the list of the offers.

We look forward for your answer,

Sincerely yours,

Peter

Anybody else?

All those "Silber" marked pieces were recently sold as part of a larger auction. Those pieces are basically collectors copies from the beginning of the 20th century. Some are better made then others but still not made before 1918.

In regards to the piece in Question: I would not want to buy it.

The Trophy pieces are a lot smaller then anything awarded arround 1900. I used to own one with Trophy and one with Trophy and swords. Maybe I will find seom pictures later.

But again. The earlier the smaller they are - as a rule of thumb.

Here the reverse of an knight 1st class in gold from the beginning of WWI:

Sorry for the bad picture quality. IT looks a lot better in real life: Red and yellow gold detailing

Hossauer Georg & Sohn, Berlin : Hossauer

Humbert Georg & S?hne, Berlin : H. & S.

Hossauer only signed Hossauer. Never H & S.

Humbert & Sohn signed only H & S. Never saw H.

Check out this early AO with Crown and Swords. Three piece center:

and the Silver mark on the bottom of the lower cross arm:

...you guys might enjoy this one. 1st class with crown in case of issue:

Well, this here would be one example to figure out if a Wagner Red Eagle is a Wagner Red Eagle:

When comparing the eagle above and the one on your piece it becomes pretty obvious that there is a big difference between those two. Since they used stenciles in the old days the eagles always look exactly the same within a certain time period.

The eagle shown here is the original one. There are more images at: Eagle Design

I just try to say that the ones with the die flaw are definetly periode.

Yet, the 1957 are very well made, too.

I actually have a few medal bars withose die-flaws crosses on them.

Keep in mind that those were made after the war by Steinhauer & Lueck. "After" meaning after the new orders and decorations law from 1957.

For informational purpose you also may want to consider browsing through

Even though you can not buy anything from my page you can at least get your crank turned

Enjoy

Andreas

Hi Darrell,

I see that you may have already found the link to my web page.

This particular piece is one of the very early ones made by the official designer and jewler J.G.Hossauer in Berlin. He is the one that made the initial tooling for this decoration.

The order is still awarded today. Only selected scientists and artsist are members of this very exclusive order.

Enjoy

Andreas

Daniel's posting above shows 937 and mine does too.

Rod

Actually, this does exist. 937/1000 parts of silver equals exactly 15 Loth. Loth was the old unit to measure precious metal content. Read more here: Silver content marks

Dear Jacky,

nobody knows what else was on the bar. I believe it was possble to wear both, medal and Red Eagle Order since we are talking about officially unrelated awards.

Andreas

Heiko,

I am very sorry to hear this. Do you have pictures of those groups for easier identification?

Andreas

and the answer is:

OK, here is one:

Dear Greg,

in case you read german you will find this interesting:

Red Eagle Order Medal

and:

Crown Order Medal

Enjoy

Here a link to an Ebay auction for all those in need of the best possible and affordable fake:

http://cgi.ebay.com/World-War-One-Imperial...1QQcmdZViewItem

Good luck

Couldn't they be worn together with and without swords, if they came from the same duchy? In Baden this was indeed possible. Or would he just have gotten the swords awarded?!

The saxons actually alowed that. Bars showing 2 of the same order are actually common.

Hausorden Lippe-Detmold Ehrenkreuz 3.Klasse mit Schwertern

(House-Order Lippe-Detmold Honor Cross 3rd class with swords)

Hausorden Lippe-Detmold Ehrenkreuz 4.Klasse 1.Abteilung mit Schwertern

(House-Order Lippe-Detmold Honor Cross 4th class 1st division with swords)

Hausorden Lippe-Detmold Ehrenkreuz 4.Klasse 2.Abteilung mit Schwertern

(House-Order Lippe-Detmold Honor Cross 4th class 2nd division with swords)