SWE Erik
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Thank you Graf and Peter.
I think you give sound advice. Not easy to say if the engraving is true to the item or added for other reasons. I Might put a bid though if the price is fair, now that I feel more confident in the cross itself. The lack of detail was worrying but I believe I learnt it does not have to mean it is a fake. Just rarely seen. Unless I misunderstood.
Why would a fake have such well made frame and pin but fail with the core... Many copies show better details.
That I have been loosing some sleep over as well as why I can't find any others that look like it on the world wide web.
I did finally find one on this forum though that have some similarities. Having a less detailed crown (but not exactly alike) and having a similar 1914 style with big 1 in the number (still a bit sharper in the details). posting link if interested:
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Thank you Peter for your reply!
I would not be so tempted to buy if it wasn’t for the engraving on the reverse.
The back seems ok for me, but the pictures is not so good unfortunately and no more provided. Hinge and pin looks ok I think.Adding a few screenshots. Would appreciate comments on the reverse as well, does it provide more confidence in the cross?
sorry, should have provided both front and rear in first post.
Erik
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Thank You!
Quite addictive hobby, especially now with the extra research possibilitys through online archives. Some day I will look through my old stuff with award booklets.
One project a time, first in line a mysterial ORB ?
/Erik
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Finally had some time and did a rough translation. Hope all makes sense, please let me know otherwise.
so to sum it all up
SPROGIS KARL PETROVICH
Military rank: Red Army man.
Position, part: Ride of the sanitary company of the 92nd rifle regiment of the 201st Latvian rifle division
Submitted to: Order of the "Red Banner"
1. Year of birth: 1899
2. Nationality: Latvian
3. Since when in the red army: from August 1941.
4. Party membership: non-party
5. Participation in battles (where and when): From December 20, 1941 on the Naro-Fominsk direction
6. Has injuries and contusions: no
7. The earlier awarded (for any differences): no
Citation: During the fights he proved himself to be one of the best loyal comrades. Regardless of the enemy's fire, he literally under the bullets took the wounded himself and bandaged them up, drove them to the medical center. During the 20 and 21, he bandaged 43 wounded. For his bravery and courage and skillful actions Comrade SPROGIS well deserved awarding the Order of the "Red Banner"
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Comment to Naro-Fominsk where he participated in battle and received his award recommendation for actions. The town was severely damaged during the war and german forces destroyed 687 buildings, including a textile factory, during the Battle of Moscow in 1941. Western part of Naro-Fominsk was occupied from October 21 to December 26, 1941. See map for front line in December, the month when Sprogis conducted his feat. He fought on one of the important defence positions for the battle of Moscow.
To repeat what were posted earlier in this thread. Recommended for Order of the Red Banner but downgraded to Bravery Medal for unknown reason. Red banner approved up to the commander as well as by the commissar. No notice of a downgrade except for the blue ink “bravery medal” above the citation. Why and who decided to change the awarding is unclear and why he received it only after the war.
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Thank you for the additional information!
I do like citations for saving others. When I have time I will try to translate the description in full. May take some time for me but will post when I have it
So no downgrade by the commissar, I just assumed since there is a "bravery medal" written over the citation.
Any idea why they would hand out a medal instead when an order were approved?
best regards
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Almost precisely 10 years has passed since I stopped collecting. I quit completely, no collecting at all and not much time given to anything militaria related. But this spring I found myself at a militaria fair, got an impulse, bought a Soviet award. Guess I am hoked again.
I realise some of the people I spoke to ten years ago are or may be gone. I really apreciated all the help back then.
Now that I am back I understand the possibilitys researching awards changed thanks to podvig site. Did a search on this old bravery medal and found him. I will Post what I got to try to put a good end to this old thread.
Karl Petrovich Sprogis - Born 1899
Rank: Private
In the Red Army since 08.1941 Place of recruitment: Сабинский РВК, Татарская АССР, Сабинский р-н
Place of service: 92 сп 201 сд ЗапФ
Feat date: 20.12.1941,21.12.1941Award citation in attachment. Recommended for Order of the Red Banner!! but downgraded to Bravery Medal. Guess the Commisar did not agree to the recommendation. Any help translating the feat would be much appreciated, my russian are no good
Karl later received the defence of moscow medal, granted 31st august 1945 in Riga. No other awards given.
Still unsure why he received the bravery medal in 1945 for a feat done in 1941 and signed for in Jan 42. Could have been a POW but I do not know how to proceed to find this information.
/Erik
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thanks for your input :-)
I will definately ask if I get one. I tried asking about the seller on another forum with no luck. So if you like can always PM and discuss the seller and see if he is true or not :-)
You can send me a pm or just ask here on the forum. I'm sure You will get input from more than just me.
Erik
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sorry to bump a old thread.
but thanks for the photos everyone.
I have a 8th class in my room at the moment with a seventh in the mail.
trying constantly for a sixth grade from ebay...but kinda worried about fakes.
Luckily, Japanese medals and orders are not faked a lot. It is actually harder to find fakes than originals (don't know about the ww1 wictory medal though). Well made fakes are rare. Then there are repros of the super high classes that are quite well done but that is only because of the rarity and value.
If in doubt about a medal or order, post it here on the forum. Someone will most likely know.
/Erik
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Red Cross medal WW1 period
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Rising Sun 6th cl before 1940
Sacred Treasure 8th cl WW1 period
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Yes, it is 148.
/Erik
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The reverse.
Nice one! These badges are really well done.
Here is one with a low number.
/Erik
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Erik,
This is one of the rarest variations of the OPW 2nd class. Still, that is a lot of money
Marc
Yes, it is rare but like You said, that is a lot of money. I would rather have 10 ordinary orders than one rare variation. But then I'm not a pronounced variation collector. I guess I don't know the thrill it gives to find one of these rare variations. It sure is nice but not that nice!
Erik
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Nothing surprises me anymore.
Patriotic war order 2nd class #123574 sold for US $1,825.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/Soviet-Order-of-Patrio...t=1218466775015
/Erik
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how much are these going for nowadays as i want to get a early bravery to go with my early combat(which il post later!)
This one just arrived. Got it for 145$ on Ebay. A fair price in my opinion (uncut ring and dirty worn original ribbon). Medals with lower number will be going for more. Bought one earlier this year from a dealer for 175$ #274xxx
/Erik
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Item number: 320215451016
I can understand if it was to reunite a group or someone saw his grandfathers award on Ebay but there were 5 bidders placing really high bids on i. It's just crazy.
/Erik
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Order of Patriotic War 2nd cl #928652 sold on Ebay for US $784.52
Must have been a very special order...
/Erik
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The name is that of Nagai. It is most likely a family name.
The mon is to the Tachibana family and is a depiction of an orange.
Problem is that the mon no longer belongs to just the Tachibana family.
Thanks! Will write this down and save. I was hoping that only one or two familys used this mon, only found the Ii family on the internet.
It is nice to have a name to connect the sword to.
/Erik
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Just saw that on another forum it has been translated to Nagai. Maybe his first name? If it is, that would be very interesting.
/Erik
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Is that in our alphabet? The last time I accidentally clicked on a Japanese language website, the characters drove my computer insane.
Yes it is in our alphabet.
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Where can we find a reference for Japanese clan crests?
I have used different homepages on the internet. This one is quite good with many samurai family crests in alphabetical order.
/Erik
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The normal reading of these two characters together would be Ei (as two syllables). Not sure if there is a different reading when they are combined as a name.
Regards,
Paul
Thanks for the help! Could they perhaps be pronounced as Ii? This fuchi has a family crest for the Ii clan on the other side.
/Erik
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Looks like a late ww2 shin gunto with most likely a machine made blade. I believe it to be original.
Too bad the ito wrapping on the handle has damage.
/Erik
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Crude core on WS EK1
in Germany: All Eras: The Iron Cross
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Very interesting to see and read your post Kay!
I think the crown in your 2A is rather similar, interesting to see the variation of these.
Somewhere on a dealers site I read that these were made from “modified 1870 cores” and I think early in the war.
I suppose it is the cores used to imprint in the sand that were modified, for the mould making process.
There were likely many cores with slight variations used.
Thoughts on this are welcome
Best regards
Erik