GeorgeCL

Heres a helpful link

http://www.silvercollection.it/russiansilverhallmark.html

George

Hi Rick,

Yes the fakers are getting better..

Last couple years they even have been selling Russian silver stamps on ebay..

I posted a FAKE doctors badge in the fakes thread..silver marked and tested as silver..

George

Great badge Igor..

Probably the rarest pilots badge of the time..

Just unknown to the WW1 Pilot wings/badges collector.

George

Yuri must have been very proud of his service to the Russian

Wore his wings until he died in 1929. Sometims even in his Chinese uniform.

Here he is civil dress and in his formal wear as a diplomat.

George

Yuri wearing both Imperial and provisional Wings

George

More pics

Of course hes the small guy..

George

I don't have any information about this badge. Do you know something about yours ?

Hi Gor,

Here what I know at this time of the Original owner of the Provisional Government Pilot wings.

Yuri Vladimirovich Ly..

His Chinese name..Li ZhongXin

Born 1895, Died 1929 Harbin China

Raised in Moscow by a Russian family

Foster Father was a Barrister/Lawyer

Don?t know anything about his Chinese family

I was told that Important Chinese families sometimes sent there Children to live and learn the Western way of life and be groomed in the was of the west..

Yuri went to military schools and late in 1916 became a pilot.

Seems later he finished his training and in 1917 became an officer and his new Provisional wings.

He also served in the Chinese/Moscow Russia Diplomatic Secretary

Flew for the Whites during the civil war as a Military reconnaissance pilot.

Later after the end of the civil war he became a diplomat for the ROC.

Stationed in Moscow.

Sometime in 1920's he returned to China

Made his home in Harbin where he met My grandmother, A well to do Russian emigre.

I have not been able to find much more. I guess civil war records are nonexistence.

George

HI I posted this awhile back

He a colonel in the Manchukuo army out of Harbin..

any Id of his ribbons..Sorry poor quality picture.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3931

Thanks

George

Heres another I picked up 15yrs ago at a flea market..unmarked silver

Beat

But it was only a quarter

George

Heres my newest arivival..

a late issue white metal, Zeal medal on a SS ribbon.

28mm size

Nice condition..

George

I was assuming they would attach to the uniform as the Germans would attach a IC 1.

Chain stiched loops and it would hang there.

I took this pic off another site..

George

No Holes.. just loops..

George

1.17.33 - my badge , I'll post it later .

Great Gor,

Do you have any history on your wings?

George

935 is a high grade silver mark..

european mark, not Germany

they usually use 800, 825.

and not russian..

just a thought.

George

Thanks Rick,

that was perfect...

George

Here some text from a book I just purchased.

Can someone help with the translation?

Thanks

George

Provisional Russian post

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9547

Heres my cross..

George

I guess there were two types issued by the provisional Gov.

George

Close up of Provisional/White russian pilots wings.

These were only issued in very few numbers be the Provisional government.

Still carries the Imperial crown. i have seen one other without the crown.

The smaller eagle is for mounting on Shoulder boards, in a black finish.

Hi I finally found these wings in a reference book..

Can someone help translate the caption for me?

THANKS RICK!

Thanks

George

Well it finally arrived.

This looks to be like Chucks example, Worn gilt version.

The plane on my copy is mounted a little higher..

Same maker BA.

and the reverse

George

Looks like a ground Roehm as well.

Can we get clearer pics of the gold toning?

Thanks

George

Much more common to find are Imperial issue badges with Imperial crown removed..

Doctors badge

Poly technical Instutite of Riga

Rare Civil war Cadet school badge/jeton

Vladikavkaz Cadet School

George

Three items for much later emigre, White russian produced.

Easter egg.

Navel buttoneer

note pad cover dated 1942.

Officer sword..also with N 2 cypher removed on pommel and blade, but leaving the Imperial seal.