aubagne98

Hello,

watch this http://www.farac.org/php/article.php3?id_article=184

La fourragère à titre individuel.

Encore une question mal connue.

Par la circulaire du 22 Février 1918, tout combattant ayant participé aux faits de guerre, visés dans les citations ayant provoqué l’attribution de la fourragère à leur unité, pourra la conserver, à titre individuel, même après son affectation à un autre corps ne l’ayant pas.

Ce droit fait l’objet d’une attestation du chef de corps. Généralement lorsqu’un corps a été cité à l’ordre de l’armée, chaque combattant reçoit la copie de la citation avec au bas la mention de son nom, de sa présence au corps et de la signature de son chef de corps. La fourragère portera alors sur un coulant placé au-dessus du ferret ou de l’olive, suivant la nature de la fourragère, le numéro en métal de l’unité ou de la formation d’origine. A défaut de numéro, l’insigne régimentaire ou de la formation sera épinglé au-dessus du ferret.

C’est cette décision qui pourrait expliquer les fourragères "modèle réduit" de la croix de guerre 1914-1918 figurant sur le ruban de certaines croix de guerre de cette époque et qui auraient indiqué que le titulaire, en plus de sa citation personnelle, était présent au régiment lors des faits de guerre qui avaient fait attribuer à ce dernier la fourragère verte et rouge.

I hope you can translate it into English

Bernhard, thanks for the information.

The 4./1.REC was awarded two Palmes of the C.d.G./ T.O.E.

Hi Veteran,

the system you have shown I know and it is clear to me.

My question is, if members of a bataillon which received two palmes are allowed to wear a fourragere?

My knowledge is that only when the regiment is awarded all members of the regiment wear it.

Hi ralstona,

I didn´t find a source about the information the 5/4 REI received a fourragere.

Do you have a link?

Or do you have photos or documents you can show?

Greetings

Michael

Well, this opens another question to me.

Were the members of the awarded bataillons allowed to wear a fourragere?

I thought only in case the regiment´s drapeau was decorated with a fourragere the members wear it.

hi,

according to this site http://www.france-phaleristique.com/fourrag.htm

there were following fourrageres TOE awarder to the FFL

- 3./2. REI 07.02.1927

- 8./1. REI 21.04.1927

- 6./1. REI 02.07.1927

Hi Veteran,

thanks for explantion.

how do they wear the fourragere?

As a miniatur like this http://www.lalegion-pictures.com/ul/img/aubagne98_1312628737.jpg ?

Or as a normal fourragere?

I know, that soldiers are allowed to wear the fourragere of their former unit in case the current regiments commander gives is ok, but this must be worn with the breast insignia (in french: pucelle) on it - is it the same way wearing the fourragere with pucelle for "a titre personnel"?

Michael

Hi

I found this in a french forum.

http://www.phalerist...=6425&hilit=cvm

Michael

Hi,

a fourragere is awarded to a unit.

For example,in the French Foreign Legion these units are the regiments.

All members of the regiment wears this fourrageres, they will receive it during the "remise de fourragere".

Michael

Hi,

I just read it today, checking the history you can see, that it is new since Nov 13.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourrag%C3%A8res_fran%C3%A7aises#Fourrag.C3.A8re_aux_couleurs_du_ruban_de_la_Croix_de_la_Valeur_Militaire

Fourragère aux couleurs du ruban de la Croix de la Valeur Militaire

Pour répondre à la volonté du président de la république Monsieur Nicolas Sarkozy de reconnaitre les mérites des unités s'étant distinguées lors de l'année écoulée (2011) sur les théâtres d'opérations extérieures, la commission des combattants d'ouvrir, par décret, la possibilité de délivrer des citations collectives avec attribution de la Croix de la Valeur Militaire. A l'instar de ce qui existe pour la Croix de Guerre, la Croix de la Valeur Militaire sera épinglée sur les cravates des drapeaux, étendards et fanions des unités citées. Elle pourra donner lieu a l'attribution d'une fourragère qui sera attribuée a une unité ayant au moins deux citations a l'ordre de l'armée pour un même théâtre. La création de cette fourragère rouge et blanche que portera désormais chacun des militaires de ces unités sur son uniforme. Amiral Bernard Rogel.^[1

^{Does anybody knows more about this?}

^Michael

He also told me, that both olives are splitted in case the MM was won in both WWs -

but this doesn´t fit to this

http://upload.wikime...8_1939-1945.jpg

My words...

A MM/LoH split olive

Hi,

sorry for the bad picture, here is a clearer one.

This isn´t a split olive MM/LH, it is split CdG1939/MM.

http://i61.servimg.com/u/f61/09/01/86/07/photos10.jpg

Well, that´s my question

1939-45 fourragère with split olive MM & CDG 39-45 (18/09/46) - Why splitted?!

I know pictures of several ancien legionnaires who served in the 13. DBLE (before receiving the fourragere TOE), they all wear the fourragere MM with a single olive CdG1939.

That the chronologie

1st and 2nd citation WW2 on May 21 1941 -> fourragere CdG1939

4th citation WW2 April 6 1945 -> fourragere Medaille Militaire with single olive CdG1939.

2nd citation Indochine Feb 12 1952 -> fourragere TOE, wearing together with Fourragere MM with single olive CdG -> two fourrageres

3rd and 4th citation Indochine Oct 29 1955 -> would mean fourragere MM with single olive TOE -> but instead of a second fourragere MM, the first fourragere MM get a second olive, this one single of TOE.

Well...why was the single olive CdG1939 change into a split olive MM/CdG1939??

This doesn´t make sense...other regiments do not have a split olive at the same position.

The way the 13 DBLE wears its fourragere would say: fourragere MM with spilt olive, because for this the DBLE received the MM and the single olive they received the CdG, not the MM.

Michael

Sorry, how can I put in pictures?

I only get the URL window , but I do not know how to use.

I want to post a picture which I have on my desktop.

Hi,

sure, but not with the devided olive CdG/MM, only with the devided olive CdG/Legion d´honneur

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Olives_1945.JPG

Michael

http://imageshack.us...gere13dble.jpg/

Hi,

watch the link, please.

The 13. DBLE did win and wear the fourragere of the CdG 1939, than followong the fourragere Medaille Militaire (MM) with a single olive Croix de Guerre (CdG) 1939.

During Indochine the 13. DBLE got the fourragere CdG TOE (Theatre operation exterieur) and than after the fourth award of the TOE it was it would be changed into the fourragere MM with olive TOE, but the DBLE just had the fourragere MM with the olive 1939.

So instead getting a second fourragere MM with an olive TOE there was only the olive TOE added to the fourragere MM the DBLE just wears.

But now, and this is the question: why was the single olive CdG1939 changed in this divided one MM/CdG1939, you can see in the picture.

This would not be neccessary!

Michael

Hi,

this is another question I didn´t get answered satisfiying to me in an french forum - maybe i am too pedantic...

Why did the 13. DBLE wear the divided olive during the 60s and 70s with this whit disc in between?

And why was it removed

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:13e_DBLE.jpg?uselang=de

Thanks for answer.

Michael

Hi,

unfortunately my questions about this weren´t answered satisfyingly in an french medal forum to me, so I will try it here.

My question is: Why is the olive CdG39 divided in CdG and MM?

First 13. DBLE has worn the fourragere CdG39, than the fourragere MM avec olive CdG30, than two fourrageres MM/oliveCdG39 and the fourragere TOE.

Well, for the fourth palme at the TOE there would usually awarded the fourragere MM...instead the 13. DBLE got a second olive, in the colors of TOE.

So, one olive showing fourragere MM for CdG TOE, the other fourragre MM for CdG39.

Why is the olive 1939 divided?

This would only make sense on a fourragere LH.

Thanks for answer.

Michael

Hello,

I am searching for informations about the Medal of the Great El Fatah.

What I found using google is not satisfying.

Alos I am searching for sites showing other libyan medals or ribbon charts.

Can anyone help?

Thanks

Michael

He Friesenjung,

try this http://www.uscg.mil/history/aboutoffice.asp.

Michael

Be aware that at least the Foreign Legion badges look like restrikes, except maybe for the 13e DBLE badge.

Yes, that was my first thought, it is the 13. DBLE.

In France these pocket badges are called "pucelle".

I have this book, issued 1967, in my bookshelf.

in the middle ...tk..., perhaps that will help to identify...maybe Patken.

i. A. means im Auftrag

von Eichborn - yes, should fit

Maybe Malisorioz

The first letter is a D

Hi,

that is a patch of the Reservistenkameradschaft.