Norm F

Yes indeed, two Fleet badges, a Hilfskreuzer and a Minesweeper badge.  Is it known aboard what ship this photo of bearded officers was taken?

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---Norm

42 minutes ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

Hello, what award is this? Thanks.

The funeral pillow of Vizeadmiral Bernhard Rogge.

It's the '57 version of the Fleet Badge.

Best regards,

---Norm

On 8/29/2016 at 19:31, Paul R said:

It has the characteristics of a Klein.  Based upon Chris' assessment and manufacturing attributes  I know from the Heer version, I believe it is a good sample.  

It's a long story, but these KM clasps are attributed to Juncker, not Klein, as the manufacturing characteristics match the "non-Klein" one-piece Heer clasps (which forensically shares some pin characteristics with the Juncker EK1 clasps) and also the Luftwaffe one-piece clasps for which Juncker-labelled packaging exists.

Not surprising given Juncker's status for higher end orders.

On 8/31/2016 at 13:29, Jock Auld said:

What is the base metal for these, is it tombak or Zinc?

They're Tombak.  Material restrictions in late wartime didn't apply to the higher orders (hence no zinc German Crosses)

On 9/5/2016 at 14:36, Jock Auld said:

Are there 2 accepted types or more?

There's only one manufacturer of the KM clasp known, but two variations based upon the trimming characteristics.  The "earlier" one, "Type 1" as alluded to by Hubert in an earlier post, has variable hand-cut internal cutouts whereas the "Type 2" (same die characteristics) used a standardized trimming die for the internal cutouts.

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---Norm

Excellent!

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---Norm

Hi Andy,

That's a misprint in Weber/Skora, The Kriegsmarine Awards, Vol. 1.  Under catch material it should say "Tombak, soldered", not "steel".  So yes, it should not attract to a magnet.

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---Norm

​Congratulations!  I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to find such a photo showing a recognizable Assmann, and you're quite right it is indeed an Assmann Minesweeper -- only the second one I've seen to date.

Cheers,

---Norm

​Yes, indeed, looks like a Friedrich August Cross 1st class.

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---Norm

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Yes, very interesting photos. Hard to say about which medal?

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---Norm

Very nice to see a mini in wear! Of all the minis that exist, it makes sense that there would be the greatest chance of seeing a Blockade Breaker mini in wear since they were awarded to civilians.

I've often wondered why it's near impossible to find photos of other KM badge minis in wear, and I can only assume it's because in wartime there was virtually no opportunity for a sailor to be off for an extended leave in cvilian clothes to wear such a thing.

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---Norm

Hi Chris,

The photo is a bit of a puzzle. Is he old enough to have earned a WW1 wound badge?

The Coastal Artillery NCO trade badge on his sleeve would suggest he was land based.

I am not an expert on uniforms but did land based Kriegsmarine troops wear that type of uniform?

Cheers,

Larry

Hi Larry,

He's also wearing his ribbon bar with the WW1 EK2 and KVK2 so quite a record there. From the look of him and his wife he could be in his 40's and have been a teenager in WW1 -- maybe a career Navy guy? And he could be wearing his blue uniform since he's stepping out with his wife.

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---Norm

Hm. I can't read that article without spending a couple of days with a dictionary and using Google translate doesn't make much sense out of it, but for what it's worth the "tone" of the Google translation seemed highly sarcastic?

Perhaps Nick or someone else can paraphrase it for us?

Best regards,

---Norm

I do not think that a Japanese Company would use the stamp"Sterling"

All the best

Morten.

Well, we are all entitled to our opinions Morten but i guarantee that these badges were "not" made in Germany.

First,they match no known German design and why would a German manufacturer produce a few hundred badges because "some wanted a slightly different design" and then ship them all the way to Japan ??????

I also think that a "Japanese Jeweler" is more likely to use the word "sterling" on the reverse of his wares than a major German award manufacturer during WWII.

I could go on here but i ask other members who collect KM awards,and especially if you have some Hilfskreuzer awards in your collection,do you honestly think that these sterling and tombak "Japanese" awards were made in Germany ??

I know what i think,what do you think?

Thanks and regards,Martin.

Hi Guys,

I believe we can say Japan without a shadow of a doubt. Not only is the design and manufacture of the badge uniquely different from any German made war badge, but the only two photos seen to date showing the badge in wear (posted by Monsun) were both taken in Japan. The clincher is the information on this reference website on silver hallmarks around the world, http://www.925-1000.com/foreign_marks2.html , an excerpt of which I've attached here which shows that between 1928 and 1954 Japan used the "STERLING" mark.

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---Norm

Hello,

here is another photo from my collection, please look at the photographer stamp!

I dont know the name of the soldier, but it must be an member of the "Thor" or "Michel".

What do you think, another jap. made auxiliary cruiser badge?

Regards,

Monsun

Hi Guys,

On close comparison of Monsun's second portrait photo with Martin's Schwerin and Japanese Hilfskreuzer badges, I think we can definitely say it's another example of the Japanese badge in wear. Despite the differences in angle, you can see key areas that correspond with the Japanese badge like the high eagle's head, lack of post at the stern, tall bottom wreath ribbon and matching position of the lines of longitude.

Best regards,

---Norm

The reverse showing the Mayer/Pforzheim hardware.

Actually the Schickle/Pforzheim hardware.

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---Norm

Hi Gordon,

What a beautiful textbook mint cap! Thanks for posting.

Very similar to the one my Dad wore in 1939-40 as Funkmeister of the 3. Räumbootsflottille, albeit with a different cockade I think.

Best regards,

---Norm

Hi Martin,

Great portrait!

Here's a photo of my Dad (in the centre) during basic training in 1936 in Stralsund in the field grey uniforms with helmets. Notice their uniforms didn't have the national eagle on them.

Best regards,

---Norm

Hi Martin,

What a wonderful portrait! The composition, lighting, dramatic impact is outstanding, not to mention the detail on the awards and the bullion breast eagle.

Thanks for posting this!

Best regards,

---Norm

Hi Perce,

I quite agree. Both are obvious cast reproductions which someone denazified, probably to make them appear more "genuine"?

Best regards,

---Norm

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I have looked at the "missing" period after "AUSF" on my badge, and it is virtually non-existent, albeit discolored where it would be expected to be. Possibly a victim of the vaulting process?

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Hi Erik,

I think you are exactly right. You can see the vertical grooves from the vaulting process on each side and the one on the left is exactly in line with the period, extending upward and flattening it.

Cheers.

---Norm

Again the two maker marks, "early" with dots and "late" without dots.

Hi Erik,

As Gordon says, a perfectly original uncommon variant which I believe is earlier than the usual version.

Ironically, the trigger for your observation was incorrect. The zincer on page 276 in fact has the usual "dot-less" mark but there happens to be bubble in the finish slightly higher than than the location of the dot in the variant mark which gives the false impression of an intentional dot. In fact, the variant mark with dots doesn't occur on the zinc badges. But all good, since it made you go and get your good Schwerin out of your fake drawer!

Also, in actuality the variant mark with dots is not missing the period after "AUSF"as you suspected -- it's simply worn on your example. Another difference in the variant mark though, aside from the dots before both "BERLIN"s, is that the "E"s in Berlin are more level in the early variant than in the usual mark. Finally, the variant badges always seem to have the dome head of the hinge pin oriented to the left. On the conventional badge it is oriented in either direction but the vast majority of the time to the right.

So there you have it. This is variation 1.1.3 in our Minesweeper Classification Table.

Best regards,

---Norm

very interesting your father km life!!!!!!!!!

may be you can help me if you can scanning to me pictures from your father wearing km uniforms and pics from bremse and meteor if you have any,

thanks in advance

Photos of the Bremse during the movie shoot:

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363395&highlight=Bremse

Photos of my Dad in uniform:

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348232

Cheers.

---Norm

Thanks very much Gordon. That makes a lot of sense. So probably already a "Schiff" by 1939 vs. right at the outbreak of war.

i want to share my 6 latest addition:the heavy from this shipping are BREMSE and METEOR,...

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Very nice tallies! My Dad served on both the BREMSE and the METEOR -- on the BREMSE in 1939 during the filming of a movie in which dummy funnels were added to the ship to impersonate the H.M.S. AMPHION, and on the METEOR in 1940 when it was the floating headquarters of the B.S.O (Befehlshaber der Sicherung der Ostsee). He would have worn a BREMSE tally at one time but not a METEOR tally since he was a Leutnant by that time.

Question: What's the difference between the Artillerieschulschiff Bremse tally and the Artillerieschulboot Bremse tally? Which one is earlier and why the name change?

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---Norm

Hi Ben,

A very nice original zinc Schwerin U-boat badge. These are less common than the earlier Tombak varieties. It was never "silver" but the gilding has disappeared over time as it often does.

That looks like a nice crisp photo too. Could you perhaps do a high resolution scan of the U-boat in the photo and post a magnified view? Could be very interesting.

Best regards,

---Norm