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Here is another view of the Kuban die.

I no longer have access to these dies and the photo I post may be the only photo taken.

Some of these dies were used as display on shelves and I did not want to more them around and risk dropping them or damaging the other items around them. Reason for the bad angle to some of the photos.

v/r

DN

thanks:beer:

Kr Andrei

Hello Andrei,

Assuming the shield you think is a fake "FO" being the one that I started the thread with here; it is my belief and understanding from other collectors that this shield is in fact original, however, I did the comparison to Orth as some had speculated elsewhere that there was an Orth connection, which I did not see or agree with.

In my opinion, this zinc shield is original, just not of Orth design or manufacture. I believe it is yet another currently unknown maker. There is an advanced collector that thinks he may have an idea on "who" might have manufactured this version, however he does not want to release that name until more sustantiated evidence is available to link the maker to the shield. So, I have to honor his request to leave that information out for now.

Looking at the construction of the shield, backing, and paper, I am confident the shield is 100% original to each part and IMO, an original period shield.

Best,

Tim

Hello Tim

And how can you explain such a similarity in design with shield FO ?

Best Andrei

Hi guys

in regards to the zinc shield thought to be an early Orth , in my opinion this shield is fake based on original Orth

I find it quiet strange that the shield , especially early war one not to have a typical FO mark on the reverse.

As you are aware, Orth had marked their shields. You do find an odd unmarked one , but that is due to the die flaw.

But for the whole production run to be unmarked – to me it does not make sense

The differences in design are also quiet obvious. It is not a secret that for the fakers it is much easier to make the shield look similar to the original then trying to reproduce the original design competly.

It is practically impossible to copy all the small details including the watermarks. Bit to make a die to resemble the original is a lot easier.

You get the look of the original , but not to the small details.

IMO, this is a FO fake.

Regards Andrei

It is hard for me to express myself in English and pass on all the information that I aware of . That is the main reason for me not being more active on the forum.

We can all make mistakes , but our judgment is based on the information we have available to us.

Hi Andrei!

You have some really nice and interesting shields there. The attachment pin setups on a couple of these are making me rethink my opinions in regards to setting any timelines on manufacture. Thank you for posting these examples!

Tim

Hi Tim

I agree with you,this is just fixing, but they help to learn more about the boards,and give more precise information about the manufacturer:cheers:

with its production using other technologies,and required a different kind of stamp that is different from other stamps on their technology

Maybe the stamp is broken and these boards were made very small, so they do not exist on the market ,I do not know exactly

This is only my opinion

the other type using a different mount,

very rare, it is not used on any shield.

No more shields with the use of such fastening

Friends, I find it hard to write in English,hope for understanding:cheers:

inside

Hello gent .

sorry for the long answer

that's the type of shield by Deumer -cllasic

and

more

Bad .bad .bad scaner:banger:

My congratulations Phil textbook JFS

Guys if you find these shields, I'll buy them all:cheers:

but I think that to find such a very very difficult:beer:

and :cheers:

Tim- post 53and54:cheers:

In post #65, you show an unknown maker and I believe it to be the same type of shield I posted a PIC of in post #68. As far as I know, this is the only one with the larger holes in the backplate. The one you posted looks a bit different in the head, but again, it may be the PIC. Can you post a larger shot of this one as well? This is one that I am after and recently missed a rather nice one with the backing cloth and paper still on it.

Tim the shield post 65

Webers book 1.24 p92-95

I know my scanner is bad ,old mark HP

if you give me your email I'll send the best photos of the shield

This is a very interesting shield, I am looking for information on this type

if you know what is on it, say-very interesting,can be photo or groups with him

Regards Andrei

Last ---------with the short pins

shield post -51

Next -With the round wire pins

post 53

Next, a very interesting option

we see the combined pins

all subsequent types of plate without coating

Thanks guys

Brief history Karl .W.

1-Early type -------With the lonng pins and the plate covered with bronz or brass

2- Savings at all-A.H. ----------and the plate is with black finish

posts -52 and 54

Sorry, post 66, the shield is not mine and I made my logo ,---- my mistake:speechless:

no logo:ninja:

my shield and the shield of the grond

See yourself gent.:cheers:

second

The Maker is unknown.