Mark M

Heiko

Both bars came with the original award documents. Can you post photos of those too?

Thanks,

Mark

Heiko

Glad to see the family all together again. How long have you been foster parenting the children?

Any chance of a photo of the set in wear?

Regards,

Mark

PS - There are still a few of his items left over at Huskens......

They are Frackspangen. They would be worn on a civilian suit, one overlapping the other.

Dave

They can't be Frack bars - the order on the bars is left to right. A Frack bar would be mounted in the opposite order.

Mark

Reverse sides:

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Has anyone else seen these bars listed at Huesken's? Both come with the original award documents and are named to the same Lt. Dr. Sayffaerth. These raise a couple of questions. Looking at the the bars would they be worn together? And, if they do both belong to the same individual why would you break up the sets?

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Reverse of the FJ:

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Close up of the FJ.

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And the reverse:

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The style of ribbons folded under "Bavarian" style is most often seen on the fakes coming out of Austria. I was told though that this style was standard post 1938. Personally, I get gun shy when I see them wrapped this way. This one was just offered to me too.

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Chris

That is soooooooo unfair! But I have to ask if you bought it in Canada how did you get it back to Germany?

Mark

Solomon

Here is a pure guess on my part. Probably totally wrong, but this could all be for an NCO.

Prussian Crown Medal,

Saxon Ernst Medal (either silver or gold),

Reuss Merit Medal (either silver or gold),

Lippe Orden Des Ehrenkreuzes

Again, probably all wrong, but I am sure one of the better ID's will be along shortly to positively ID them.

Regards,

Mark

You mean the war 1870/71 ? The WW I is impossible...because of the missing "lower" awards...military merit medal Lippe for example...

Solomon

No, 1915. Per David Danner's most excellent website: "On January 9, 1915, a "war ribbon" of yellow with red and black stripes near each edge was authorized. Prior to this, all awards, including swords awards, were on an amaranth ribbon. After this, the war ribbon was used for awards with swords and for non-swords awards which were for merit on the homefront in support of the war effort. "

Regards,

Mark

Solomon

The Reuss War ribbon was issued from 1915 on. I would think your set was issued early war before he earned an EK2. I might also think the first ribbon was a crown order, as it would be unusual to mount a long service award in front of a war ribbon.

Regards,

Mark

By the way - Nice little bar

Paul

over $1200 US.

Steve

I don't disagree that the bar is legit. The problem with this style bar is that anybody, at anytime, can switch the awards around and no one is the wiser. Keep in mind also that the bar was purchased from ebay, land of the forbidden TR symbols, and was also purchased from a dealer. Who knows - he might have bought the bar with no awards on it and threw whatever he had in stock onto it to increase it's resale value!

Josef

If you are going to hang a Faithful Service cross it would have gone onto position #5, not position #4. A Wurtt LS would have hung on #4.

Mark

Steve

My point was that IF the bar has had two awards added to it, Which it does appear from the reverse, what two awards are they most likely to be from what is hanging on the bar? Not the foriegn awards as they are both pre 1914. Not the Wurtt LS, or in your theory the blue ribbon, as they were both discontinued by war's end. There isn't anything else left. Most likely combo is the HK and the blue ribbon being a TR 25 Faithful Service cross.

Mark

Josef

The Prussian LS award in number 5 makes no sense hanging on that bar, especially it there was a Wurttemberg LS in number 4. Looking at the reverse of the bar the last two hooks are different than the others, so my guess is that the bar was added onto at some point. The HK would have been one of the add ons, and my guess is that instead of the Prussian LS there should be a TR civilian 25 Faithful Service cross hanging there. That would at least make sense being in front of the foriegn awards but behind the others.

Nice bar by the way

Regards,

Mark

These two sure do look as if they were cut by the same person!

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In searching I found another 3 place bar (Don - please forgive me for posting this without asking first) with the same cut in the backing material.

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David

Thank you for the information. it is unusual, and a lot of detail to add to the side of a medal bar that no one will see!

Rgeards,

Mark

Here is the reverse:

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And a close up of the edgeing:

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I found a small 3 place medal bar that has a most unusual backing to it. The red felt is cut in a manner which I have never seen before. Instead of the usual zigzag pattern it is cut into loops, with miniature zigzags cut into the edges. Has anyone ever seen anything like this before?

Here is the front:

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Gentleman

Thank you for your opinions. This could also explain why the seller refuses to send better photos of the bar.

Thanks again,

Mark

The Henry the Lion Merit Medal 2 arrived today and is a pretty darned good fit. Thanks to all who took the time to help with this id. I appreciate it!

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Here is an interesting Austrian ribbon bar that I have a few questions on. Can anyone ID the awards on it? I believe the second is an Iron Crown, and the second to last is a wound ribbon, but the rest? Also, is this a correct style of wrap on these ribbons? And, why is the bar look trapezoid shaped on the left side and rectangular on the right? Sorry for the lousy photos. I have requested better ones and will add them when I get them.

Regards,

Mark

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