The Badger

Hi All

Looking for information on a new badge in my collection. It is same size as WWII specials lapel badge, but has CC and a dark green background as opposed to the normal blue. I have seen one other like this but have been unable to attribute to any force. Hoping GMIC members can help me out with this one.

Thanks for the replies so far, what is he a Sgt Major?

Just obtained this photo hoping it was Police, but on closer examination I don't think it is going by the collar dogs they look like a sheep with a flag,.

Anyone any ideas?

Alan

See if you can find this CD "The Helmets & Insignia of the British Police" by Noel L Haines

​very detailed best reference I have seen on UK helmets.

Sticking my neck on the block, I would say this is a school or sports club badge not a specials. I have not seen a specials lapel with a shield shape and I have seen approximately 600 and I have been told there are about 700 in total. So only another 100 to find.

I have a INDIA POLICE Officer's silver cap badge with a king's crown, E-W loop fitting. Hallmarked on front Maker J.W & S with Anchor (Birmingham) Lion(Stirling) with date letter g for 1906. Height: 60mm. Intertwined "IP" cipher

Anyone any idea as to its value or rarity this is totaly out of my field of collecting.

Thanks Alan

After searching and googling the web I come to the font of all knowledge GMC for information on this badge, I am sure it must be a Fire badge with crossed axes and a helmet, but which one and what country. I await the answers to flood in from GMC members. The badge has 2 EW loop fixings and is approx 44mm dia.

Thanks in advance Alan

Hi Steve

Welcome to GMIC, sorry to say you are on a hiding to nothing as most forces did not keep very good records for specials. The best I have ever seen are WWII Gloucestershire. The biggest problem is that specials medals, unless you get the box it came in do not state the force served in.

So you don't even have a starting point. Best of luck with your research, if you think they may be from Cambridgeshire I do have a few names only WWII though, unfortunatly even group photos of which there are many are not normaly named.

Alan

Wingnut1269 contacted me via my web site so I have given him some information as to when the helmet was issued.

The following is further info that I have found but I can’t take credit for this information it was supplied to me by my friend the ex curator of the force museum form his records and research. I have asked the Cambs NARPO branch if any of there members know of him. I await a reply.

Svard PC789 not listed in any of the force records that exist, but found SVARD listed in the Chief Constables report for 1976, and listed as leaving the force and transferring to the Metropolitan police on 11/07/1976. A part from this I have no other information from police records.

I have found the below information on Ancestry.com which refers to his Birth Death (died aged 51) and possible marriage / s

Birth

Name: Olof J A Svard

Mother's Maiden Surname:Callan

Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1950

Registration district:Hammersmith

Inferred County: Greater London, Middlesex

Volume Number: 5c Page Number: 970

Death

Name: Olof John A Svard

Birth Date: 6 Jun 1950

Date of Registration: Feb 2002

Age at Death: 51

Registration district: Portsmouth

Inferred County: Hampshire

Register number: C71A

District and Subdistrict: 4971C

entry number: 100

Olof J A Svard married Doyle Jul-Aug-Sep 1968 Ealing Middlesex

Olof J A Svard married Farrell Feb 1991 Harrow

olof J A Svard married Errington Jan 2002 Harrow

Olof J A Svard married Lynch Jan 2002 Harrow

I don't know if these are all his marriages but he is the only O J A SVARD I could find

I am trying to obtain provenance on three WWII specials lapel badge that I have, they always seem to be listed as Met special constables, but I don't think they are as I can find no evidence to support this. A collector friend thinks they may be for Merioneth The diameter is 20mm and as can be seen one has a red crown the other is marked silver and the diameter is 13mm compared to other two when purchased it was sold as Manchester senior officer.

I have asked collectors that I know but no one has a definitive answer, hoping someone in GMIC can come up with an answer.

Fingers crossed Alan

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Here is the closest view I can get and still retain some detail. If you want to get closer please use the Ctrl + "trick", to get back to the normal size just use Ctrl -.

Thanks again for your help.

Regards

Brian

Hi

This is a Buckinghamshire War Reserve Officer.

Alan

Hi Ian,

I really don't know what I was thinking as I know better.

Examaples of the SC and the PR badges are presently in my collection.

Oh well, I guess my error won't bring the collecting world crashing down around us.

Regards

Brian

Brian

These are PAMS I have there may be others, if so I have not seen them. I only know that I am looking for 1 more Bedford 1 more WAPC and at least 1 PAMS cap badge out bid on ebay last week.

Only problem I have is not being able to place the unnamed ones with a force.

Alan

Thanks for that information. Based on what you have said I would suspect that the probability of this being for the City of London would be high. Many of the examples in my collection that are not of the Hiatt style, sadly enough, have no maker's marks.

Regards

Brian

Brian

Thought you might like to see this one, I have never seen any other forces in colour only black or brass. Coincidence that it is Reading ?

Ian,

Loved the Isle of Man white helmet. I know that Brighton Police wore the white summer helmet and when you seen the newsreels from back in Mervyns day of the Mods and Rockers fighting you can see the white helmets wading in.

Who else wore this summer helmet?

Craig

Peterborough Combined had a White Cox Comb Helmet, the tunic was only worn for one day so I have been told as they kept being asked for ice cream's. Not sure how long the helmets where worn for.

Alan

Here is something that arrived just a short while ago. It is a custodian helmet plate for the Surrey Special Constabulary. I was not aware that the police issued custodian helmets to the Specials and this is the first one I've seen. Mervyn has informed me that this is something that is fairly resent, so no need to watch for any with the King's Crown.

The enamel has been damaged but then the first thing to go in an altercation is the headgear so enameled plates are probably subject to damage for this very reason. We won't get into possible careless use on the Special's part. As if that ever happens.

Regards

Brian

Hi Brian

There are two version of the Surrey Specials helmet plate, the only others that I know of are City of London who have 2 SC and senior SC and Norfolk had one which is no longer issued they use the same as regulars now. You can see them on my web page www.thebadgerslair.com

Regards Alan

i won on ebay a pair of medals named to pc h wilderspin 1911 coronation and 1935 julilee medals for only £36.70.his father was superintendant harry wilderspin of the cambridgeshire police is was on the 1901 census. can anyone please tell me if there is an a address for cambridgeshire police archives so i can research his father thanks paulhttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2010/post-45-128069804803.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2010/post-45-128069804803.jpg

Perseverance pays hope this is not to late for you, I finally had a reply from my friend as follows.

Tough one this as there are no surviving records for William Henry Wilderspin.

From what I have researched on him in the past, He was baptised on 01/09/1844, parents were James and Ann and were living in Castle Street, Cambridge in 1844.

He joined Cambridgeshire County police sometime around 1867 as a constable by 1881 he was a sergeant, on 1891 Census he is an Inspector in charge of Caxton Division, he was promoted Superintendent in or about 1892 in charge of Arrington Division, and retired on pension between 1904-1911. He died on 23/08/1929 in Cambridge. Apart from information from Census returns I have nothing else for him.

He had 2 children Ann born 1871 and Harry Hammond WILDERSPIN born 04/08/1887. Harry joined the Metropolitan Police and married in 1909, bur I have no other information on him.

I have just acquired a nice modern and also a historical piece for my collection.

Cambridgeshire Constabulary's first female Chief Constables hat

Julie Spence OBE QPM was Chief Constable from 10 December 2005 to 5 September 2010.

I post these - all of which must have been shown on previous threads - only to keep Specials high-up on the listing. I think the information is too valuable to be overlooked. I think the one with ships is Cambridge and the Manchester would be good - had it not been chipped.

Quite right Mervyn the ship one is WWII Cambridge City specials lapel badge.

Regards Alan

I am no expert but I would say its a repro

Paul

You can try http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/local_history/cambs/ but don,t hold your breath. Cambridgeshire Constabulary closed there Museum many years ago, I have no record of a Wilderspin so thanks for a new name to add to my listing of officers. I will make inquires with a friend who was the curator of the Museum to see if has any further info.

Regards Alan

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Birmingham

Southport

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Just goes to show which badges turn up the most. Here is something different but still special constabulary at present I have these 3 blazer badges. West Yorkshire

Just a plug I have a Norwich City Specials white metal shield Lapel badge on ebay at present if anyone is looking for one.

Southport

Ebay auctions....

Birmingham City SC. Cap Badge. Chrome. KC.

Sold for £4.99. on 1 October 2008.

Sold for £6. on 2 November 2008.

Did Not Sell (starting price £25) on 27 November 2008.

Did Not Sell (starting price £6) on 11 December 2008.

Sold for £4.99. on 12 December 2008.

Sold for £8. on 30 January 2009.

Did Not Sell (starting price £8) on 11 February 2009.

Did Not Sell (starting price £10) on 14 February 2009.

Sold for £4.99. on 15 March 2009.

Did Not Sell (starting price £8) on 28 March 2009.

Sold for £3.99. on 10 July 2009.

Sold for £0.99!! on 18 July 2009.

Did Not Sell (starting price £5) on 23 August 2009.

Did Not Sell (starting price £4.99) on 26 August 2009.

Sold for £5.50. on 15 September 2009,

Sold for £4.99. on 2 October 2009.

Sold for £10. on 17 October 2009.

Sold for £3.20. on 6 November 2009.

Sold for £8. on 25 January 2010.

Sold for £8. on 20 March 2010.

Sold for £8.50. on 4 April 2010.

Sold for £10.50. on 6 April 2010.

Did Not Sell (starting price £8) on 14 April 2010.

Did Not Sell (starting price £15) on 21 April 2010.

Just goes to show which badges turn up the most. Here is something different but still special constabulary at present I have these 3 blazer badges. West Yorkshire

Just a plug I have a Norwich City Specials white metal shield Lapel badge on ebay at present if anyone is looking for one.