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Here is another knights cross that i have come on for sale but again i am not sure whether it is original or not. Any help you can give would be much apreciated

Here is another knights cross that i have come on for sale but again i am not sure whether it is original or not. Any help you can give would be much apreciated

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_05_2009/post-2778-1243266363.jpgThe cross initially posted was meant to look similar to this Zimmermann/Godet cross.

I can see imperfections and hatching on the beading at the centre of that cross

Is that how you can be sure mine is a fake - because there is no flaws.

Would i be right in saying all crosses knights and EKs would have some evidence of being handmade and suspension loops are part of the casting of the frame of the cross?

Thank you for the link. I am sorry to hear that you have been deceived. Is there any way you can get your money back from the seller?

I dont know ill have to try. If he genuinely thought it was real he might take it back Its a long shot.

You live and learn

These crosses appeared for the first time not many years ago. Here is one brief discussion touching on them on another Forum: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...ht=latvian+fake

One of the many problems with them is that the suspension ring, which is an integral part of a Knights Cross frame when it is die-struck, is separately attached to this cross, although an effort has been made to make it look like it is part of the frame. These crosses are available with multiple markings from Juncker, S&L, etc., etc.. Close study of the beading will also show that it is remarkably regular. Although real crosses also have what appears to be regular beading, on close examination you can see the small irregularities which are characteristic of a human touch in the preparation of the master die. On this cross, it is apparent that a machine created the master die for the frame, not a human.

Thanks Harrier

Could tou tell me is the cross posted on this thread by bill garvy original. The suspension loop looks different to alot of the one in the knights cross gallery. Are all the other crosses in the knights cross gallery original.

I would like to buy a high detail fake, like this one(being sold as such). What are they being sold for?

http://www.treasurebunker.com/acatalog/rep.html#a1066

They are not dear, follow this link and you will get one for 100 pounds +

However this particular one cost me a great deal more as i was convinced it was real.

If you want to spend alot of money i would be happy to sell on this medal, just kidding

Reverse. . .

Is that original Bill, The loop seems very similar and i still cant see a difference in beading

Agreed unfortunately a "Latvian" fake

Thanks for your help guys even though it is not the news i wanted to hear. I assume there is no point in getting a physical inspection of the cross done by a valuer. You seem pretty sure its a fake.

I looked through the gallery of Knights crosses i saw that that you can see more of the suspension loop then on the others however there is quite a variation in the loops on the ones in the gallery.

With regards to the machining of the medal i wouldnt have a very keen eye and so have to take your word for it been a fake.

Can i ask are ye all 100% that its a fake or have ye any doubt

Sorry for seeming desperate but i dont wnat to make accusations about it with the seeler until im sure.

Thanks again

Here is a picture of the back of the medal with stamps 800 on medal and loop

Could anyone help me. I bought this medal from a guy whos grandfather left him a collection of german medals and badges. His grand father fought in World war 2 for the russian army and left the collection too his father who subsequently passed it down again. There are no papers or documents with it and id like to know wheter it is fake or original or get the name of an organisation that will value and certify its originality on paper. Any help or opinions on the medal will be appreciated.