bazsi

The Hungarian name of the medal is Szolg?lati ?rdem?rem (1953).

http://medals.extra.hu/modules/myalbum/pho...d=866&cid=6

Excellent photo with this medal!!! Just a small note: the rank is not cpt. It is 1st Lt, bacause of the soviet style structure.

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Bazsi

Gordon,

I'm sorry to forgot the chin strap. Yes, it remained, just the buttons were changed. I have another allowed 1955/1958M cap with the same characteristics.

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Bazsi

Gordon,

Yes, it is a 1955M cap modified to 1958 regulations (my 1957M designation was not punctual, because the 1957M caps were made of brown material as 1951M caps).

The allowed term refers to the white part of the cap, it is a private made cap (probably by offical tailors) for the white allowed tunic. The main difference between 1955M and 1958M is the inner side (the material of the lining). It is a romboid structure in 1955M version.

The visor is plastic made in model 1958, before 1958 it was made by leather.

The modification was only the badge change in 1958.

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Bazsi

It is a modified shoulderboard (rounded end).

The width of the flaps are 13-13,5 cm.

Unfortunately, no matches in my African chart:-(((.

1949/1957M modified enlisted tunic.

1955/1957M tankist (allowed) visor cap

1951/1957M modified tunic (cartographer lt. col.)

Gents,

Great photos, great uniforms! My favourite early K?d?r uniforms from my collection.

1957M overcoat (cpt., air force)

Gents,

Thanks for help! I tried to find it in all of my charts. Unfortunately, it does not appear in my chart of Chinese and Korean medals (Gasewski, Barrio). It is an interesting task to find...

Regards,

Bazsi

Thanks! I thought just the ribbon last is surely cuban.

The original owner of the uniform was maj.gen. K?ri Gy?rgy. He was the political lieut. commander of the 5th army (command of the land forces). In 1986-1990 he was the 1st secretary of MHSZ (Hungarian National Defense Association).

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Bazsi

Gents,

I need some help. This ribbon bar is on one of my 1970M Hungarian general's tunic. The marked (red arrow) ribbon is a foreign ribbon (blue with white and red stripes), which I haven't been able to identify. What kind of ribbon is it?

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Bazsi

Charles,

I'm happy if I can help in such questions. These informations about bravery medals are mostly (but not all) experiences. Most of the literature (e.g. Hungarians) doesn't write about these problems. Mericka writes a few words about Petzl signature medals.

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Bazsi

Gordon,

Alright! But it was my last "off topic"-like question:).

Regards,

Bazsi

Let's take the 1957M dress tunics, there are at least 6-7 models/variants/subvariants. "Waistcut" or not, embroidered or metal branch badge, 49M or 57M button, white or brown inner lining etc... All could receive an own denomination, it's only a question of the "resolution".

I think the best way is the "conservative" way. The order and medal collectors uses the model/variant/subvariant nomenclature. In my opinion we have to use the same system. We cannot invent new denominations for every modification, for evry subvariant. If we use our own denomination, we will speak in different languages.

I like Sanyi's solution, the M1965, modified 1957.

Regards,

Bazsi

Nagyon k?sz?n?m!:-) Thanks!!!

Gordon,

What a beautiful ribbon bars!!! The reason is why I think that it is the DDR medal, that it is a painted plastic ribbon bar. We can see some painted items with different sizes. The sizes on the silk version is always the same as the original DDR. And the DDR medals are more frequent. But it can be also cuban of course. It is just a little brainstorming.

Which medal is it if it is cuban?

Regards,

Bazsi

Thanks Hunyadi! Of course, here is the reverse:

Hi Sandor!

Welcome to the forum! I think Gordon has right about the denomination (you can use what you want, and it can be correct), but it would be the best situation if we can make and use accepted denominations. In this case we have 3 problems:

1. Waist cut disappeared in 1961, but the denomination of these tunics remains M1957.

2. Piping disappeared in 1965.

3. After 1965, these eraly K?d?r style tunics were transformed into M1965, in this case with a late M1965 shoulderboards.

In my opinion, the best would be if we call it (like M1951/1957): M1957/1965.

Gents! What do you think about this solution?

Gordon,

Are you sure, that the last ribbon is a cuban one? The german (GDR) Brotherhood in Arms Medal - Silver (1966)has the same ribbon, but the yellow is thinner. I think it is just a small mistake by painting. Reintex has the ribbon for this medal, but just for ribbon bars, and not for the whole size medal.

Regards,

Bazsi

Thanks Gordon! It was my original plan to recreate the second row, I'm trying it later. Originally it was too expensive, the same price as the first row.

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Bazsi

Laurel wreath is surely for Military Merit Cross, crown for Military Merit Medal... I have never seen a combination of those two...

I think the same too. It is a very interesting ribbon.