bazsi

I saw wearing it, but unfortunately I don't know where is the photo. The ribbon was red, the same that was worn with Sing. Mem.

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Bazsi

I think it is a post war made order, maybe it was made abroad to replace the lost or damaged original item.

Thanks! I think it was an officers bar, at least col. or maj. gen. The second row was also on sale, but I didn't buy it. There was Meritorious Service Medals for years (25, 20, 15), and Flood-Prevention Medal.

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Bazsi

We have a lot of new photos on our new website. This is the new feature of it. We post new things periodically. But it is a new one, we made it at the first period of this year.

I hope you'll find interesting things and useful informations.

Regards,

Bazsi

bazsi,

Thanks for explaining why you called it a 65 M tunic. I haven't looked at the web site much since it was moved. I'll have to do that soon.

Too bad you live outside of BP. Perhaps I'll be in your area before we leave and we can get together.

Regards,

Gordon

In this case the classification is clear. The buttons are M1965 types, the shoulderboards are also M1965, late versions from the 70's. So it is better to call it M1965.

The basic form of the written part of the book is Sanyi's article on our website, www.nephadsereg.hu. Sanyi used to speak with Tam?s and me with Sanyi about the new informations and we used to think together. I think this is the best way to develop.

Thanks for the PM, I'll write back soon.

Regards,

Bazsi

Petzl looks quite good but G?l---

I think the same. What could be happen if G?l wer made such horrible portraits a few years before:-)...

Hi Gordon,

Yes, I know Sanyi. I know Tam?s just a bit, from forums and mails. We used to work a lot in these questions with Sanyi. He told me a lot of good things about you:-).

Usage of common terms were great problems a few months before. Luckily we have new informations (mostly from the reserach of the new book) and from other sources. We have imprecise things a lot, but the early K?d?r-era seems more clear nowdays, than a few months before.

We uses just these two designations. The M1957 can be the one in the regulations, the one piece construction with piping. In my opinion the one piece tunic without piping is a transient, modificated M1957, it is better called M1957/M1965, as it is used by the transient M1951/M1957 or M1951-1954/M1957.

I hope to meet you some day!

Regards,

Bazsi

G?l type gold medal (I'm sorry for the bad photo):

G?l type bronze medal

Those bravery medals which has the Kautsch or Petzl marker were war period medals. After war manufactures used to make medals with different portraits, and most of the cases unmarked versions. In the 20's G?l made K?roly type bravery medals (bronze, small silver, large silver and gold) with a very bad portrait with Schuck J marker on the front side of the medal, and G?l marker on the back side.

Regards,

Bazsi

A Petzl type:

Yes, unfortunately the right one is a late copy. Silver grade has another bad or better quality of copies nowdays.

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Bazsi

Very nice ribbon! Congratulations! These sewn ribbon miniatures are very rare versions. In my opinion this is the ribbon of a military merit medal. The crown used to be this one. I think in this case the laurel wreath hasn't got any meaning, beacuse the ribbons shows that this is a war time decoration. The Order of Franz Josef has another miniature (the small version of the cross or the star by the upper half of this family of decoration). These kind of ribbons were private made ribbons, which could be bought in bigger manufactures by the officers pleasure.

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Bazsi

Most of the cases when the backside center damaged from wear, used to replace it with silver center. I saw one with navy button center once, but I think it was a modification by a collector.

Regards,

Bazsi

I am also sure, that it isn't have any Hungarian or Austro-Hungarian connections.

It looks like a private ribbon or unofficial version because of the material.

Regards,

Bazsi

The badge on the 3rd picture (top left) is a Hungarian troops officer badge form the period of regency. Officers used to wear with branch color textile (on the back side), but it was not official.

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Bazsi

The last ribbon is the Bulgarian commemorative medal of WWI for combattants.

Regards,

Bazsi

Hungarian People's Republic award group (after 1985).

1. Workers' and Peasants' Rule Medal

2. Order of Merit 4th April'

3. Order of Merit for Outstanding Service

4. Meritorious Service Medal

5. Merit Medal for the Country's Service, Golden Grade

6. Meritorious Service Medal after 35 years

7. Meritorious Service Medal after 30 years

Gordon,

Thanks for the kind words! I hope, that I will be useful in the Hungarian parts of this great forum.

It is a pleasant thing, that the research brings new facts nowdays (thanks to Sanyi and Tam?s). From the new evidences (photos and informations form the paper Nephadsereg, Sanyi, Tamas (and me also) thinks, that the "two piece design" disappeared in 1961, but the tunic, and the number remained M1957 (because of the piping). We use to marker, M1957 (with piping, two piece construction, branch colors, branch color insignias) for these tunics, and M1965 for the new design: without piping, two piece construction, branch colors, branch color insignias).

The early M1965 tunics often has M1957 buttons, and old gold shoulderboards.

In my opinion the most interesting thing always the temporary used and modificated versions.

Regards,

Bazsi

Gordon,

Thanks for the kind words! I hope, that I will be useful in the Hungarian parts of this great forum.

It is a pleasant thing, that the research brings new facts nowdays (thanks to Sanyi and Tam?s). From the new evidences (photos and informations form the paper Nephadsereg, Sanyi, Tamas (and me also) thinks, that the "two piece design" disappeared in 1961, but the tunic, and the number remained M1957 (because of the piping). We use to marker, M1957 (with piping, two piece construction, branch colors, branch color insignias) for these tunics, and M1965 for the new design: without piping, two piece construction, branch colors, branch color insignias).

The early M1965 tunics often has M1957 buttons, and old gold shoulderboards.

In my opinion the most interesting thing always the temporary used and modificated versions.

Regards,

Bazsi

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Hi Gordon,

It's nice to meet you in the virtual space:-)!

Thanks for the detailed description, my english is too poor for the description of the specifications of these tunics. The pre 65 tunics has another specific marker. The inner side of the arms are made of white textile.

From 1961, only branch colors remained, and it is disappeared in 1965. Removed and resewn versions are rarest one's.

Regards,

Bazsi

Horthy regime military long service cross for officers 3rd class, early version (big crown).

Regards,

Bazsi

Here is another tunic I picked up recently. Whats nice about it is that it started life as an M1957 tunic, but in 1963 (or there abouts) it was converted to the new regulations. The green infantry piping around the collar was removed (though there is a small fragment stuck in the right lapel to confirm it was green!) and newer style shoulder boards were used. Prior ot 1963 the shoulder boards were colored in the color of the serivce branch, however after 1963 they all changed to a greenish brown color except for police, border guard and the Karhatalom (but these were all branches with the Interior Ministry)

Just a small note for this good looking tunic. It isn't a M1957, it is a M1965 tunic, not a converted one, but a little bit new design (without branch color, and lower half "cut").

Regards,

Bazsi