RobW

Thought I would add another maker's mark here on this thread despite the apparent lack of interest anymore. Shame, as the thread had potential IMO.

Here's one of the marks for Arthus Bertrand on a WW1 Commemorative Medal. I read on another site that the symbol is supposed to be a wheel gear topped with a star but, it looks more like the star is topped by the wheel gear. The letters A.B. et Cie in the bottom of the triangle.

Tim

Hello Tim,

It is a nice Arthus Bertrand specimen. I have posted another AB example on the following thread which clearly shows the details of the mark.

French War Commemorative varieties

Regards,

Rob

I know this is not what you are looking for but if you do not already have this list you may find it interesting.

http://www.history.n...ry/victorya.htm

JohnnyMac

Hello JM,

Thanks for the link which I already had. It is a compilation of the navy bars and ship entitlements based on the 1948 and 1953 US Navy Awards manual. The list I am looking for was that contained in the original 1920s Navy Dept GO.

There are difference in ship qualifications between these lists hence I'm looking for the 1920 list.

Regards,

Rob

To all,

I am looking for some specific reference material for use in my continuing research relating to the vic series. The titles I'm looking for are:

* World War I Campaign and Service Credits, Albert F. Gleim, Planchet Press Pub No. 21,

* State, County, City and Organization Medals for World War One, Richard L. Planck, Third Revised Edition. Planchet Press Pub 48B

While not a Planchet publication I am also looking for a copy of the US Navy Department General Order of 1920 establishing ship entitlement to the Navy bars of the US vic. I have a copy of the subsequently amended 1953 list but am specifically looking for the 1920 version.

I would be happy to find the original pubs or even copies. If anyone can help it would be appreciated.

Regards,

Rob

And a close-up of the mark. On closer inspection it is a P - lightning bolt - L.

Regards,

Rob

Here is a close up of the reverse.

Regards,

Rob

To all,

Here is my last French war commemorative medal variety.

It is produced by the Paris firm of Paul Leclére. It is seen much less frequently than the other varieties listed.

Regards,

Rob

As mentioned above here is another JB mark that is a very weak strike. It makes it particularly difficult to see that actual detail inside the triangle mark.

Regards,

Rob

To all,

Here is a standard Czech Russian Legion trio with some well worn medals. I prefer to see a bit of wear on these medals as it indicates the recipient did actually wear them. It has two small eye hooks on the reverse for attaching the group to the uniform jacket.

Interesting items from this group include:

* No citations on the War Cross.

* No '4' shield (indicating the 4th Regiment) and a single linden leaf on Revolution Medal. This variety of Revolution Medal has a slightly wider tab where it attaches to the suspension ring, and does not have the more commonly seen 'AB' makers mark of Antoine Bourdel from Paris, on the obverse near the rear feet of the horse. This variety was produced between 1920-38.

Of note is that the single Linden leaf on the ribbon of the Revolution Medal is not correct as it was only authorised for the War Cross. Such single bronze linden leaf citations were for units at the Division level.

Recipients however who did not subsequently serve in the Armed forces post the war, did not necessarily follow the regulations so it is not altogether unusual to see such combinations.

* Official Czech vic with a very early version of the ribbon.

Regards,

Rob

Hmmmmmm....

There does not seem to be much movement around here at the moment.

I will shortly be posting a standard Czech-Russian Legion trio to keep the information out there.

After that I will be off-line for a while so hopefully in the meantime others can continue to post their items. As much as I enjoy looking at my own collection it would be good to see others.

Regards,

Rob

Really would like to see more of the War Cross and Revolutionary Medals with different attachments if they are out there?

Regards,

Tim

Hello Tim,

Here is one of my examples with some similar ribbon shields relating to service in the French Legion.

Regards,

Rob

Here is a close-up of the mark. The JB marks are seen in a variety of strikes, with the mark either being very distinct as in this example, to very flat or shallow marks where the is little, if any, of the JB present.

Regards,

Rob

Here is a close up of the reverse.

Regards,

Rob

To all,

Here is another one. In this case it is produced by the Paris firm of Janvier-Berchot. The triangle shaped mark on this example is unusually off-set from the centre.

Regards,

Rob

Here is a close-up of the mark. The Arthus Bertrand mark has, over the years, had a number of different markings but in this case it is 'A B & Cie'. The marks have also been seen in a diamond as well as a square format with the same internal marks.

Regards,

Rob

Here is a close up of the reverse.

Regards,

Rob

To continue, here is another War Commemorative Medals; this time with the makers mark of Arthus Bertrand.

Arthus Bertrand produced this official strike as well as another example which is characterised by a different suspender.

Regards,

Rob

Unknown to me, but probably another Lemaitre version, especially if you see no maker's marks.

Hello Makedon,

I have checked the decoration, including the suspension ring, and can find no makers marks or what could be interpreted as a makers mark. Is there any location in particular that such marks would be?

Regards,

Rob

Closer look of the clasps...

Hello Timo,

It looks like the DEFENSIVE SECTOR clasp has the remnant of spacers on the bottom. Could you have a closer look and see if it looks like there was spacers that have been subsequently removed. It should be clear from the side or reverse. Some examples of US vics have been seen with DEFENSIVE SECTOR clasps that have spacers.

Regards,

Rob

To all,

Here is another Order of the Redeemer piece in my collection. It has a number of differences from that previously posted insofar as the surrounding wreath is much thicker, and the portrait on the obverse is different.

I would appreciate any ideas as to the manufacturer.

Regards,

Rob

And here is a close-up of the marks on the reverse.

As I locate more examples of this medal from my collection I shall post them here.

Regards,

Rob

This example is a later strike at 11.5 mm in diameter. Of note is that the Paris mint cornucopia and BR marks are present on the reverse. This example is part of a larger group of 9 French mini's.

Regards,

Rob

This example is not much larger at 13.2 mm in diameter.

Regards,

Rob

To change the direction a little here are some miniatures of the War Commemorative Medal. Such nice detail for items that are so small.

The first one is but 11.2 mm in diameter. All measurements are taken from the widest point of the planchet and not the wreath suspender.

Regards,

Rob

What is interesting about this medal is that the 'Engagé Volontaire' bar is also maker marked. It has the letter 'M' [Monnaie de Paris] on the reverse, so it would appear that the mint marked more than just their medals. I have another commemorative medal in my collection with the 'Engagé Volontaire' bar that has very slight design differences and it does not have the makers mark on the reverse as per this example.

Regards,

Rob

Here is a close-up of the mark. As indicated by Bison in the other thread it is assessed that this mark (a C and L superimposed over each other) is also that of Léon Chalin's mark but this has not been confirmed. It would be good if someone else could confirm this.

Regards,

Rob