Jurgen Fritz

:unsure:Hello again Cris,

please see here a Picture of the "Fairsome Senegalaise" IWW

best Regards Juergen

:rolleyes:

Hard to say.... why do you think it is US as opposed to French?

Good Morning Chris,thanks for your Interest

Well,I had an Discussion about this Tool Machette- (In IWW used by the "tireilleurs Senegalaise" as Trenchweapon!-the got wrong for that) The Germans shot them..

It's the marking:"SPERRY" a "Expert"frenchman told me-this is "anglosaxon" and I bought in USA-so his Opinion:No french!-But as I said the messurements ect like the french "Coupe-Coupe"..?

My Guess:maybe made in USA for Vietnam-war use

by US -SPERRY Corporation?-it could be older- (but maybe was in Store?) -It could be from the french Indochine War 1954-I know the French Army&Legionaers used it there?

(mentioned in Literatur ect.)-Then I heard after 1945 the stud to close the Scabbard was then Aluminium?-My ist (so the Rivets & Bladeprotector in the brown Leather Scabbard"Looks old Patina?) are brass.

I really like to found more about the "french Connection" and how old it is?There are also guesses that the Leather would have rottet away in Djungleclimat&Monsoon I guess the Blade is Carbon Steel

For any more friendly Answers very thankfull? (If any more INFO needed from my Side I will do my best)

Best Regards

Juergen

:rolleyes: Good Morning Gentleman-here a Picture of the Coupe-Coupe Blade

My other Pictures are to big (Scabbard) have to find a Way to make them smaler

Best Regards

Juergen

Good Evening Gentleman,

Please help me by identifiing a "Coupe-Coupe" in my Posession,

IT's maker marked with a smal Stamp SPERRY on both wooden Handle grips and scabbard so some Opinion has it "not french" purchased in USA

The messurements are excact like the french one?The Scabbard has inside (Rivet in) a brass Blade Protector-maybe that helps to fix a date to it?

For any Help very Thankfull, Best Regards

J.Fritz

Hi Chip Yep just makes me wonder the Could wear such Hirschfaengers?

What Unit is this exactly?

Regards Juergen

Hello again-I just noticed on the sec.Photo the "Sideweapon(Hirschfaenger) has like an deerhoof Grip! for shure an (private?) Sideweapon or used in this special Unit?

best Juergen

Hello is this the Same Soldier?

I guess its from Prussian "Jaeger"(Rifleman)Regiment?

The Tszako on the Field Uniform looks like it on the other Cap are like "Antlers" Jaeger??Maybe NCO or "Fahnenjunker"?

Regards

Jurgen

Not so easy. It would help to know which Bezirkscommando he dealt with. But while recruiting was generally regional there were a huge amount of exceptions. Basically, it depended upon different quotas that were given to different Bezirkscommandos each year. In general, many of the Eastern regiments needed recruits that came from the west and major population centers. It would be helpful if we knew this guy's occupation. But even then we would be making guesses. It seems as though he was probably from the lower class, of Polish ancestry and was really quite lucky just to get a slot in a prewar regiment. Often, working conditions and living conditions were far better in the Army than at home. I am not so sure that he was still in the same area as his birth. You would know but we have to remember that he started working at the age of 14 or 15. Again, it would be helpful if we knew his occupation–was he a farmer?–was he unskilled labor?–what did he do when he moved to Hamburg?

Good Morning Joe-thanks for trying to found my Grandfathers first Regiment!

Its all not so easy to explain:To know the historical Circumstances in this often changing Area of polish/prussian Influenz(an unruly Neighbourhut to Russia)so the big Fortresses and prussian Army Installation of regiments on the Border then under russian Rule Poland-I guess you know how it came about with the Total anihilation of Poland and "carving up" between Russia/Prussia and Austria?So much I guess was my Grandfather of "Szlachta" anscestory his Father Wojciech Czerniejewski-indeed there were in this "Wartheland Area "Settlements of Germans from "Franken" Area so maybe came to "Mixtures" are atoptations even??Of Polish Names (unknown Reasons?)so I guess Ludwig living in Prussian Punitz at the Time fell under prussian recruitmen(or was "Volonteer!")as often happening maybe his Father got him in the Army(was not out a "poor Family"!?Maybe the felt them self more attractet to the West?-many Things I don't know-My Granddad was very quiet after the IIWW and sayed not much and I to smal to ask about..For shure he moved to Hamburg and married here in 1914 He was attractet to the See and went on Big Oceanliners after Polish Unity in 1919 (fights against Stalins/Leinins Bolschwiks looks like the Czerniejeswki Family lived In Wroclaw (german Breslau)and his Father came to visit Ludwik In Hamburg He(Ludwik )joined out unknown Reasons the Hanseatic 76.Reserve Infantrie regiment and went to France in Trench Battle there-back in November 1919 to Hamburg (I remember he got in the III Reich the Certificat of "Reichsangehoerigkeit"(Member of Germany )+(maybe for his Service & Decoration) in IWW he was Heathwise deprest (Maybe his experiences at the Front) and the Downfall of the 3.german Empire ending his Life sadly for me in 1954 in Hamburg) thats more or less I know about him-hope I found his first prussian regiment?The Photo shall be helpfull?Thanks again Jurgen

Joe,

Accordining to an on-line map of Poland I've looked at the town isn't on your map. I don't know the scale of your map, but the town of Punitz is somewhere right around or above the letter "a" in the name of the town of Lissa that's on your map northeast of Glogau. According to the information I found on line the population of Punitz, now called Poniec, was only 2,875 in 2006, so it was probably a small village in 1900 or so.

Yep smal Village-Mike is right is on the Map(bigger Scale) what Unit Infantrie is possible for that area please

Yours Jurgen

Hi Joe Punitz(poniec) is a smal Village near Posen Town You need a bigger Map-but excellent this Map shows Armeecorps V ect Thanks very much

Maybe we get somewere?

Yours Juergen

That town is not near Posen. this shows the regimental garrisoning in 1909. The black numbers are the infantry regiments and you can see where infantry Regiment 19 is. it's a good question!

What I have been trying to determine is where he lived when he was 20 years old? The location of the Bezirkscommando he reported to at the age of 20 could help us pin down which regiment key originally belonged to. I believe the first picture to be from his active time when he was younger 20–22 years old. Hamburg came later and he could well have been a volunteer– often times this would affect the individuals rank and how he was called. Perhaps no longer a musketeer but rather a war volunteer.

Hi again Joe!

he lived in Punitz near Posen(Town Westprussia in that age ca20 Years old) helps that?best Juergen

I have been following this avidly. I love doing this kind of research and I don't know why. Keeps me off the streets at night I guess. The real question in my mind is where did he live–which Bezirkscommando did he enter in–and therefore which regiment.

None of that is easy. One thing I think you have missed is that somewhere this guy is 32 years old. That makes him a Landwehr guy. The Polish town that was mentioned is between different Bezirkscommando's and is nowhere near Lauben. so did he live in the Polish town or near Lauben? From what I have seen I would vote for somewhat east of Lauben. I would agree with the assessment that the initial Regiment therefore was 154. I believe the first picture the gentleman is younger and is wearing the regimental uniform of JR 154. At some point in time he moves to Hamburg and ends up in RJR 76–that is consistent with his status in the Landwehr and also consistent with his medals.

The Polish connection is what's really confusing–name changes and provinces. It really is nowhere near Poznan but it is in the V Army Corps. This is loads of fun! Thanks for tracing this.

Hi Joe! thanks for looking-My Grandfather was born in "Punitz"(today Poniec Poland) near Posen it's an old polish Family Connection-but tbts another Theme- born 1882-in Hamburg 1914 (volonteer?) 76.Hamburger Reserve Regiment Through the war see my Post about later Regiment please Best Jurgen

Hello dear Mike-thanks very much for posting my Pictures-hopefully comes some Response to them?

best Regards and Thanks again!

Yours Jurgen

Hello, Jurgen,

You have to also remember the old film in black and white actually changes the way colors look. Yellow often shows up as very, very dark in the old photos.

Hello MIke-got my E-Mail with Photo this Morning OK?

Maybe you can make better the Colors out?The Shoulderboards look maybe "red" so Color& Cuffs/Cap band ?Any more Suggestions-very thankfull Yours jurgen

Hi Jurgen,

I did not buy it, a dealer offered it to me for 250 euro. Before I send 250 euro I have to know if its original or not.

Best Wishes

Yep for shure is a lot of money and lots of Fakes around!

Best of Luck-ask Ben-he is the EXpert!

Jurgen

Hello Jurgen,

Thanks for the post. I did manage this morning to find a original SS buckle from this maker on the internet. Comparing it with the one I posted the faults are easy to see.

Once again thanks for your post.

Regards

Congratulation-bet is was not cheep?

(I think the really expensive-Steel or Aluminium?)

I just could effort an very good Replica-made in Czechosslowakia for $50.-(Alu) hard to tell from Original LOL!

Best Jurgen

Hello greetings-Yep very bad Copy anything wrong with that I guess?LOL

Sorry

Regards

Jurgen

Good Morning Mike-greetings!And many Thanks again for your help!

I just thinking again-The 5.Niederschlesisches Inf.Regmt.154 you mentioned hat a white Brandenburg Cuff Patte?-but yellow Shoulderpads with red Nr.??

My Photo shows for shure a dark (red?) shoulderpad

I just looked at an former research by you on an Oberleutnant with white Cuff Patte(piping?)another Mysterie

there you mentioned more prussian regmts like 8.Westpreussisches Inf.Regmt Nr 175 White Patte (blue Pipings

3.Schlesisches " " 156 "

5.Westpreussisches " " 148 " "

The Uniform appeareas" black" on the b/w Photo-so the Cuff Shoulderboards and Collar/peaked Cap but will be prussian dark?Blue Patte :"White"

Now after thinking again(the Uniform with the yellow Cuffs found in wardrobe) was a lighter blue??but had Brandenburg Cuffs- zitron yellow Patte??maybe the mentioned Hessisches Nr 118 ??(he could keep for some unknown Reason) more Mysterys!?

best Regards yours Jurgen

Hello an P.S>

I searched for some Years I remember-all prussian Army Records are lost through Bombing Raids in the IIWW in Berlin

Photos is all what is left..Sometimes old "regiment Historys" in Bookform appear on "ebay"or "militaerpasses but God nows were my Grandfathers went?My Mother possible sold that and the questioned Uniform with the Yellow Cuffpatte?)-could be he bought this after the IWW as a "memento"??somwere or given by a Friend?a "Mysterie"!

regards

Jurgen

Hello, Jurgen,

I apologize, I may have misunderstood what you originally said. The actual cuff on all Prussian infantry uniforms were red, but the cuff patte was sometimes a different color. According to the information I found, only 1 regiment had a yellow cuff patte, the Infanterie-Regt. Prinz Carl (4. Großherzoglich Hessisches) Nr.118

stationed in Worms, which was part of the XVIII Armee Korps. You mention Hamburg, the Infanterie-Regt.Hamburg (2.Hanseatisches) Nr.76 was stationed in Hamburg and was part of the VIII Armee Korps. The regiment had a red cuff patte, but it was edged with yellow.

Another regiment that was near where he lived that had a white cuff patte was the 5. Niederschlesisches Infanterie-Regt. Nr.154, stationed in Jauer, with the III Batallion in Striegau, and was part of the V Armee Korps. That is about all I can find.

Hello Mike-thanks for searching I may concentrate on the last Inf.Regmt.you mentioned Nr 154 V Army Corps

I had also an Photo(lost)shows him on an Riflerange(Warthelager maybe?)with spiked Helmet shooting an old (M88 Rifle or carbine?)

Still a Mystery-I will see to post the Photo? best Regards Jurgen

Hi again Mike-There is another Thought-On this b/w Photo my Grandfather looks about the age of 32 the Photo is taken in an Photo atelier (possible Hamburg)just befor WWI(and he joined(Volonteer?) the Hamburg 76 Regiment(Reserve? in August 1914) I guess-whats puzzle me he wears an then "old fashioned Bayonet Type 1870?" cauld it be the Photographer lent the Uniform for the Picture?-but looks a "good Fit"?-still I saw the Uniform after his Death 1954- in the Wardrobe-zitron yellow Cuffs? another Photo in 1915 on Leave shows annother Type of Uniform:Blauer "Rock"?or grey "Peace Uniform"?with 8 blanc Frontbuttons(Brandenburg- Cuffs show dark )White?Shoulderpads Peaked Cap with double Cacade:prussian & "Hamburg Cross Cocade."Ersatz"?Belt with Prongbuckle and "Ersatz"all Steel Bayonet?Shows "Reserve" was differnet Uniformed to all "Fieldgray" in 1915?

(In 1916/- November18: Number 417.Inf.Regmt.2.Kompagnie?)any INFO on this?)

He had on Decorations:Iron Cross/Hanseaten Cross(Hamburg) and Ehrenkreutz for Frontkaempfer(Hindenburg)after WWI given.

Others Photo shows him in France in fieldgray "Fieldblouse" Fieldcap with an "white" Stripe (but Cocade on Top)?Could be MG Gunner (the covered red stripe)?The last Photos(Of bad health he served in Officers Cassino as Ordonance-an un identified Uniform with covered Button front dark high color with an "Monogramm"?

The V.ArmyCorps had also Inf.RegmtNR 154?White Cuffs? best Regards Jurgen

Hello again Mike-I just seen a picture of the Regiments Colors (Von Coubiere) the Maincolor"Zitron Yellow"??the Commander in 1901:von Lueder

It gives a Book:Regiments Historie with Colorplates-I copyed a Picture but very smal & faintet -it looks like one of the Figures have the Blue prussian Coat(maybe the 1860/70s Uniform?) with yellow Cuffs??

Still a Mystery?I had another Look at my Grandfathers Photo-the Cuffs for shure on this B/w Photo a bright Color looks White!

For more Help very thankfull!

regards

Jurgen

Hi, Jurgen,

At the time of your Grandfather there were no Prussian infantry regiments with yellow cuffs, they all had red collars and cuffs. Only the shoulderstraps were different colors. The shoulder strap colors were usually tied to which Armee Korps the regiment belonged to. The Infanterie-Regt. von Coubière (2.Posensches) Nr.19 was part of the V Armee Korps. There was another V Armee Korps unit, Grenadier-Regt. König Wilhelm I (2.Westpreußisches) Nr.7, stationed in Liegnitz (now Legnica, Poland), that had yellow Litzen on the collar and cuffs, perhaps that is the yellow you're thinking of?

The only V Armee Korps regiment with yellow cuffs was the Dragoner-Regt. von Bredow (1. Schlesisches) Nr.4, which was stationed in Lüben (now Lubin, Poland).

Hello Mike very interesting-I got an black and white Photo of my Granddad-like to show it here but have to found out how to load that?(I'am no good with Computer-maybe my son in law can help- The Phote shows clear the prussian Uniform with prussian Cuffs(Look white on the picture(but were zitron yellow 100%shure)not Litzen the whole Cuff Patte were the Buttons is fixed(a Mysterie?) He was not a Dragoner (infantrie Musqueteer) and Pics IWW (France) shows a variety of Fielduniforms (I tried to found in Germany) but the cannot make it out he was in 1914(moved to Hamburg to live) in the "76"Hamburg Infantrie(I guess Reserve Regiment he was then 32 Years old) the had great Casultys and he went in an high numbered (war Regmt.)until 1918.Maybe there is some more INFO?If I found out about the Pic.I will show it here?Best Regards &Thanks for your Interest!Jurgen

There was a regiment named Infanterie-Regt. von Coubière (2.Posensches) Nr.19, part was stationed in Görlitz and part was in Lauban. The collar and cuffs should be red, the shoulder straps should be yellow with a red "19" on them.

I got this information from Kaiser's Bunker at this web page http://www.kaisersbu...w/infantry1.htm

Hello Mike-thanks for INFO-cannot be that then I look for Yellow Cuffs? indeed my Grandfather lived in "Punitz "(Kreis Posen) today Poniec Poland

Shure he mentioned "Lauban" but cannot remmebr in what Context?What Regiments there had Yellow Cuffs?

Thanks again Regards Jurgen