Jef

Christiaan, I should say "a medal awarded by a patriotic association"? 

the medaillion says "Pro Patria" 

Jef

Found this medal here as an associative French medal::https://semon.fr/LES ASSOCIATIVES_3.htm

Jef

according to this site it's a medal for teachers CVO . The abbreviation is Centrum Volwassenen Onderwijs

https://universalmedals.hpage.com/belgium.html

Jef

Hello Christiaan,

This one is a medal of the veteranorganisation of the 1st Infantry of the line. In dutch 1ste Linie Regiment. By the way, is a non official medal.

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Thank you Farkas & Raga....... the quest is going on.

Jef

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone can identificate this buttonhole badge. I have no Idea which nationality, maybe french (?)

It was found among medals of nutrition committees and charity medallions.

Thank you for any help,

Jef. 

Hello Vincent, You will find some info about NISDGM in these pages: 

Info: https://klm-mra.be/sites/default/files/2022-07/21_fonds_rhodius_nl_2015-06-15_0.pdf

kind regards,

Jef

Cross from a Belgian Resistance movement MNR/NKB ( Mouvement National Royalistes/ Nationale Koningsgezinde  Beweging) The resistance group was erected in 1940.

Hello Daven

Saw your message while I was looking for something else..... 

FI =  Front de l' independance

OF= Onafhankelijkheidsfront 

Two names for one resistancegroup.

I think it's just a souvenir from that association.

Attached is a pin to show you're a member of that association with the same image.

Kind regards,

Jef

Hello Wim, Thank you for your answer. I'm wondering which ribbon this is. 

Kind regards,

Jef

I believe I saw the correct ribbon. But I don't know which ribbon this is. Medal is a miniature, but this doesn't matter.

Great info, Chris. Thank you. Great links.  I have visited  Indian Caps when it stopped, early eighties of past century and bought some pieces, mostly medal strikes. Saw there were a lot of dies too but didn't know what to do with it.... that time?.

Kind regards,

Jef

Made a small example about Fonson buttons made from start manufacturing till begin World War I. I used  the knowledge I have so far.  It is still under construction cause it's not finished. Have no idea if it ever will be finished ( ?), because  it's not easy to find correct information. I was lucky to have advice and experience from different specialists collectors.

Jef

That's correct, I took some info from that study. Very nice study I must say.

Hello Chris,

I know you know a lot about buttons.... but I think Francois August Fonson made buttons around 1890 till start WWI  When his son Jules came into  the bussines (somewhere begin 1900, don't have a specifically year), the name was changed into Fonson & co . August was born in 1845, he died in 1920.

The Fonson bussiness started in 1848 by two brothers Jean-Barthélemy (1808-1882) and Jean-Francois Fonson ( no known dates), they used the mark Fonson Fréres.

It is not all clear for me,because  there is not much information about those buttonmakers. I'm still looking for information.

During the lockdown I organised my buttons.... had a lot of time. In this way I put the buttons of the Belgian line infantry in a small frame. There were buttons of Fonson Fréres, A. Fonson and Fonson & Co. So these buttons were only made till start of WWI, later in 1915 Belgians got khaki uniforms with buttons model Belgian Lion. 

Pic attached: I believe number 4 is French, still miss nr 5.

Hello Chris, 

Nice uniform you have there. Could you tell me  who made the buttons please?

kind regards,

Jef

I'm afraid I cannot help. 

Kind regards,

Jef

OK, Thank you Great Dane for the experiment.

Jef

Great, splendid Idea . Here is the pic.

And addition of the OranjeNassau medal.

Jef

8 hours ago, Great Dane said:

Just for the fun of it, I took your ON image and applied some b/w conversions to it.

The middle is a standard b/w conversion. The right one is applying (crudely) the filter I applied to the color image in the other thread (less G, C and M and more B). I didn't fine tune the conversion.

 

 

That's right Great Dane, nowadays you can manipulate  photographs  applying filters or with photoshop. If you should use the same filter on the whole photograph, the artilleyman  would wear a strange uniform, I guess.?

One hundred years ago photographs only could colourized.

Well done.

Kind regards,

Jef

Hello again,

The explanation of Herman and Great Dane make sense, but at the same it  time made me very curious. Because in the past I worked with WWI negatives ( mostly Kodak folding camera, Eastman company). I never worked with glass negatives, Maybe that's a difference?

In this way I took two old medals from my collection and put it on the photograph. I see the black remains dark. The yellow is a bit dark too. Red is a bit darker. So, the shade of these colours are more or less corresponding the colours of the B&W pic. Now I'm wondering how the white/pale colour of the last medal could be dark blue? 

The more I look for an answer, the more I get question marks.

with kind regards,

Jef 

OK Great Dane, thank you for your appreciated answer.

kind regards from Flanders.

Jef

Thank you Great Dane for your answer. It make sense, but the photograph with Palms in the Order of the Crown, I used to compare is not a modern pic.  It's a pre-World War I photograph. So you think it is  possible the photographer  used another emulsion while developing the photograph? 

Kind regards,

Jef

Hello Herman,

Thank you for your answer. I understand what you mean. I must say, the pic of the Oranje Nassau medal already is a black & white pic. This has nothing to do with negatives.  The real colours are shown in detail below. Right real colours, middle B&W of thesame pic, left the medals of the artilleryman. 

A dark colour in this case, dark blue, shows in B&W pic, black (In the negative black would be transparant.In the past I developed photographs myself, so that's what I experienced).

Second example a Belgian civilian with palms Order of the Crown. In color and in B&W; the white stripe remains white, dark parts remain dark.  

I hope you undertsand this.

kind regards,

Jef

Dear Friends,

I was wondering if someone recognise the third medal of this artilleryman, there are some look-a-likes, but the ribbon doesn't match.

First medal of this gentleman is "medaille militaire first class" (long service), second: " medal Leopold II "( Commemo medal Reign LII), but the third seems very difficult.

At first I thought it was the commemoration medal VIIth Olympics which was instituted in 1921. Impossible as the pic was taken pre-WWI.

Someone stated it was the Dutch medal Oranje Nassau. The medal itself seems to match, but unfortunately not the ribbon! Does this medal exist with another ribbon? Or is it another medal?

In this way I was wondering if anyone is able to ID the third medal.

With kind regards and thanks from Flanders,

Jef