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      Could one person receive 2 classes of LdH?

      in France

      Posted · Edited by Great Dane

      Could it be that the explanation is the simple that kings (and other royalty) were exempt from normal rules and statutes and sometimes they just wanted something to fill the chest (preferably from favorite countries)?

      I guess that is pretty much what you're hinting at, and it sounds plausible to me.

      /Michael

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      Could one person receive 2 classes of LdH?

      in France

      Posted

      Paul, I was ready to buy your explanation...

      Frederik VII was known to like orders and medals (rumour has it that he on several occasions tried to get awarded the Danish medal for lifesaving by inventing various heroic deeds, but the requests were always turned down).

      But then I found another photo. It's (one of) his miniatures and take a look at the left side - two versions of the Legion d'Honneur (one slightly bigger than the other).

      For some strange reason they are showing the reverse, but that might be to not insult anybody as you mentioned.

      /Michael

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      Could one person receive 2 classes of LdH?

      in France

      Posted

      Hi Paul,

      Thanks for the input.

      I was skeptical too, but then I got to look at some old pictures (not many photos exist from that era when photography was still young, so paintings are the next best thing).

      Take a look at Frederik VII in the painting below - because he was a king, most of his decorations were Grand Crosses, and the only decorations he got to wear on his chest was:

      - the Silver Merit Cross of the Order of Dannebrog (a special class that from the start was defined as both an independent (low) class of this order or an addition to those already decorated with the Dannebrog order)

      - the Legion d'Honneur Officer class mentioned in my previous post

      - later on in 1862 - the medal of the Swedish Order of the Sword.

      I assume the painting is from approx. 1860, and it definitely seems like he is wearing the Officer class of the Legion d'Honneur, since the 3 decorations mentioned above are the only non-Grand Crosses he was awarded...

      /Michael

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      Could one person receive 2 classes of LdH?

      in France

      Posted

      Hello Gents,

      While I was researching the decorations of the Danish King Frederik VII (reigned 1848-1863), I came across something interesting regarding the French Legion d'Honneur.

      He was awarded the Grand Cross of the order on July 25th, 1828, but was also awarded the Officer cross of the same order years later (probably around 1858).

      It is specifically listed in my books that he was awarded the GC and the Officer cross, so I don't think it's a typo...

      Note that I'm not talking about being 'promoted' within the order - the GC came first.

      So my questions are:

      - Was this common practice (GC + Officer to the same person)?

      - What was the criteria/reason for the 'add-on' award?

      I know that something similar can be seen for the Greek Order of the Redeemer (GC followed by Knight cross to the same person), but I don't know the details for this practice either.

      /Michael

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      Tunisian Nishan-i-Iftikhar... difference between knight classes?

      in Africa

      Posted

      Even without the statutes, you have been a great help!

      Thnks so much, 922F :jumping:

      My reason for asking is, that I have this guy who - according to the Danish state- and court handbook (which of course could be wrong) - was awarded the 6th class of this order. I don't have his actual order, but I have his miniatures which contain a 4th class of the order (enameled rays and rosette on the ribbon).

      So this mystery could either be vanity on his side or simply confusion...

      /Michael

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      Tunisian Nishan-i-Iftikhar... difference between knight classes?

      in Africa

      Posted

      Thanks,

      But I'm still confused...

      As an example, take this website: http://www.royalark.net/Tunisia/orders.htm

      Here is the description of the photo below (note that he calls 1. class "Superior class", 2. class is "1. class" etc.):

      "Nishan al-Iftikhar, Type III - Fourth Class or Knight (Ali Bey) (L) and Fifth Class or Knight class II (Sadiq Bey) (R )."

      http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-769-0-40604000-1409267868.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-769-0-97796700-1409267868.jpg

      To me they seem quite identical (apart from the monogram of course)...?

      /Michael

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      Tunisian Nishan-i-Iftikhar... difference between knight classes?

      in Africa

      Posted

      Greetings all,

      The Tunisian Nishan-i-Iftikhar (or Nishan Iftikhar) came in 6 classes (at least in the 1920-30s period), and I'm trying to figure out what the difference in appearance is between the two knight classes (5th and 6th class).

      Class 4 (Officer) has red/green enamelled rays and a rosette on the ribbon, but class 5 (Knight I) and 6 (Knight II) both seem to be without enamel on the rays but still have green enamel on the center medallion.

      I have looked in auction catalogs with pictures of 5th and 6th class, but they look completely identical!

      Does anybody know what the difference is between 5th and 6th class?

      /Michael

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      Identification of badge

      in Northern European & Baltic States

      Posted

      Sometimes the red flag with the red cross is also used in Italy (Savoy?), but it seems that this badge is Danish as "A/S" normally means "Aktieselskab" (as in a public company - same as "AG" Aktiengesellschaft in Germany).

      But I have never seen this badge before or even heard of a company called DFSS A/S...

      It looks really interesting!

      /Michael

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      Danish miniature

      in Northern European & Baltic States

      Posted

      Hi Andreas,

      Nice purchase. You are right in ID'ing it. Awarded during the reign of King Frederik VII (1848-1863).

      The only lists of recipients are the various Court- and State Handbooks (Hof- og Statskalenderen), but they are not 100% accurate (e.g. if a recipient received the award and then died in between two volumes of the handbook, he wouldn't be in there).

      Unfortunately I don't have my handbooks at hand...

      A lot of these 'Hæderstegn' were awarded for the first Danish-Prussian war 1848-50 to NCOs and lower ranks (mostly due to a lack of other decorations - officers would receive the knight cross).

      And of course, the miniatures were a private purchase.

      /Michael

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