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Not to mention the many rules for the combination of the two... 😲

That all makes sense... thanks a lot, Laurentius! I tried to read the statutes and their amendments, but got lost... not for the faint of heart 😋

You gentlemen were very helpful with my earlier question regarding the Prussian Order of the Red Eagle, so I'm calling on your expertise again. I'm researching a guy (not the same as earlier) who was awarded the Prussian Order of the Crown 4th class with swords in 1866 (I'm guessing for the Prussian-Austrian war). In 1890 he gets the 3rd class with swords on the ring and later he is promoted to the 2nd class with swords on the ring. Do the swords on the ring symbolize that he was awarded the lower (4th) class with swords? In "Deutscher Ordens Almanach 1908-09" his list of awards shows both the 4th class with swords and the 2nd class with swords on the ring. Does that mean that he would be wearing both? Wouldn't the 'swords on the ring' represent the lower awards with swords, so no need to list that one separately?

Here is the photo from that catalog BTW - Hammer price was 2.800 DM

Is this the one you're referring to: Klenau auction 156 (lot 53). December 1978. "St. Cyrill- und Methodius-Orden. Ordenskreuz. Silber vergoldet. 75 x 75 mm. Am Ring. Klenau 4435. Äusserst seltenes, altes Exemplar" (Same object could be in several Klenau auctions if it didn't sell...)

To me the first word looks like "Consul"...

And here is a recap in English (feel free to point out any spelling errors...) http://www.omsd.dk/Articles/en/article_en.aspx?id=20190504-1

Excellent. Before I started this thread I didn't even know he got the 4th class. Thanks a lot! /Michael

"are allowed..."? OK, now I'm a little confused... So what is NOT allowed (for the MoH)? Apart from wearing it if you didn't earn it, of course...

His name is Hucke. I don't know his first name... it is never mentioned in any of the official records where I found him (including Handbuch für das Deutsche Reich 1874 to 1890). He ended up as "Wirchlicher Geheimer Ober-Regierungs-Rath" and worked in the Reich-Postamt (before then the Post- und Telegraphen Verwaltung). He probably died around 1900. If you can find him, that would be awesome.

Are US citizens allowed to own unnamed ones?

Interesting... then I'll have to figure out when he was awarded the 4th class... time for more research 😊 Thanks.

That was my suspicion 😊 Thanks Andreas. /Michael

I have a question for you experts in German Imperial awards. I'm researching a guy (German civilian) who was awarded the Prussian Red Eagle order 3. class with bow followed by 2. class with oakleaves. Not an expert on German Imperial orders, but I seem to have read on this forum that there were specific 'rules' when transitioning through classes (like the "if you were awarded class x with device Y, the next one up would be class A with device B" sort of thing)...? His 2 awards were at least 7 years apart (if the rules apply to awards for seniority). Would the move from 3. class with bow to 2. class with oakleaves be such a 'standard' transition? Thanks.

A thorough explanation that still leaves room for research - thanks Glenn