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    paja

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    1. This watch used to belong to an Air Force pilot of the Army of Yugoslavia (Војска Југославије). Pilot's Badge from that era can be seen on the watch strap buckle.
      I've seen these watches before but this is the first time I had an opportunity to take some photos of it. I wonder who and why decided to give Yugoslav pilots a watch that bears the name and logo of a foreign aerobatic team...
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    2. Now back to that unnumbered ZIN.
      First row: Numbered IKOM
      Second row: 1 Unnumbered IKOM; 2 Gilded Unnumbered IKOM; 3 Unnumbered ZIN
      Third row: Numbered ZIN
      Some details are different, for example notice how orders made by IKOM (all three variants!) have very visible pattern in the lower part of the front side. Third order in the second row is obviously different and so are all of the ZIN made pieces from the third row.

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    3. So all in all 2 types and 5 variants of the Yugoslav type. There are some variations of the Yugoslav type which I didn't include in the list, perhaps later when I gather enough material. 

      Type 1 (Soviet production)
      Type 2.1 (Yugoslav production, numbered ZIN)
      Type 2.2 (Yugoslav production, numbered IKOM)
      Type 2.3 (Yugoslav production, unnumbered ZIN)
      Type 2.4 (Yugoslav production, unnumbered IKOM)
      Type 2.5 (Yugoslav production, gilded unnumbered IKOM)

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    4. On 12/16/2016 at 01:21, Kallarati Heroik said:

      NO.

      THIS IS ORIGINAL CASE.

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      Is that the case in which the Soviets delivered orders? I ask because Yugoslav decorations made in USSR were delivered in very similar cases. Here are couple of pictures from the awarding ceremony held in December 1944.

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    5. I'd like to start from the beginning and go through all variations of the order with corrected information especially because most of the images I used before are no longer visible.
      I'm having troubles making a complete classification of the Yugoslav decorations because there are so many different variants of certain orders. Here's what I came up with when it comes to this particular decoration. In order to simplify things I divided them in two main types, Soviet and Yugoslav.

      Type 1 (Soviet production)

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    6. Number 1 - Bravery: 10848,16882; Merits: 1932
      Number 2 - Bravery: 16882, 54927; Merits: 1932
      Number 3 - Bravery: 34854; Merits: 1932
      Number 4 - Bravery: 10848, 34854, 54927; Merits: 5454
      Number 5 - Bravery: 34854, 54927; Merits: 5454, 7657
      Number 6 - Bravery: 6882; Merits: 7657;
      Number 7 - Bravery: 54927; Merits: 7657;
      Number 8 - Bravery: 10848,16882, 34854; Merits 1814;
      Number 9 - Bravery: 54927; Merits: 1932
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    7. After doing some further research I came to a conclusion that the earliest Yugoslav Bravery Orders ("numbered IKOM type") were actually made by ZIN. On the other hand "ZIN numbered type" was most likely made by IKOM. Everything I wrote before in this topic is based on online sources, especially Sammler's base, and "forum knowledge" if I may use that term.

      One day I noticed similarities between numbers stamped on the back side of what we thought is IKOM's Bravery order and early (low number) Order of Merits for the People made by ZIN. After that I compared all 10 figures and there's no doubt that they are absolutely the same. So either both factories used the same numbers (which didn't seem very likely to me) either that type of Bravery Order was actually made by ZIN. 

      Looking for material to back up my claims I checked Rudež's book in which one can read the following:
      "The production of Orders and Medals for Bravery was organized in the second half of 1945 by ZIN Belgrade, and after that by IKOM Zagreb... Bravery Orders made in USSR and orders made by ZIN have serial numbers on reverse while orders made by IKOM don't have any markings on the back side."

      Now here's the puzzle, same thing goes for the "ZIN numbered type" and IKOM made Partisan stars, numbers on their back sides are pretty much the same (bear in mind that there are two different types of numbers on Partisan stars).

      I'll try to post comparisons and some more information tomorrow.

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