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Small photo of Milan Obrenović wearing that type of helmet.
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Portrait by Đura Jakšić from 1860, sash of the Order of the Redeemer?
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24 minutes ago, Kallarati Heroik said:
Very beautifull uniforms and orders. Great paintings.
I'm glad you like them, there's more to come.
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Two very similar portraits, I'd say the first one is "original" with some changes done on the second one - Miloš's dress is blue and the sash is for St. Anna. I presume that's the case here because on the rest of the portraits Miloš wears the sash of St. Anna according to regulations, over the left shoulder, while the Iron Crown sash should be worn over the right shoulder...
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Portrait from 1843 by Eduard von Engerth
-Star of the Austrian Order of the Iron Crown, Knight 1st Class
-Nişan-ı Zişan
-Portait of the Sultan with Jewels (Abdülmecid II)
-Star (and Sash?) of the Order of St. Anna with Crown, 1st Class
-Star of the Greek Order of the Redeemer, Grand Cross (1st type)0 -
Portrait by Moritz Daffinger from 1848.
-Sash and Star of the Russian Order of the White Eagle
-Star of the Austrian Order of the Iron Crown, Knight 1st Class
-Portait of the Sultan with Jewels (Mahmud II)
-Star of the Order of St. Anna with Crown, 1st Class
-Nişan-ı Zişan
-Star of the Greek Order of the Redeemer, Grand Cross (1st type)0 -
Interesting portrait of Miloš wearing the following orders:
-Star of the Order of St. Anna, 1st Class
-Star of the Austrian Order of the Iron Crown, Knight 1st Class
-Nişan-ı Zişan
-Star of the Greek Order of the Redeemer, Grand Cross (1st type)0 -
Portrait from 1858 by unknown artist. Order of St. Anna with Crown 1st Class, Nişan-ı Zişan and the Portrait of the Sultan with Jewels (Murassa Tasvir-i Hümayun) with the portrait of the sultan Abdülmecid II (information found in a very interesting topic started by Demir here).
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I've made separate topics about decorations of kings Milan and Aleksandar Obrenović and now I'll continue with Miloš. In the future I plan to do the same for some other Serbian rulers, namely Mihailo Obrenović and prince Aleksandar Karađorđević, Karađorđe's son.
Portrait by Uroš Knežević from 1835. Miloš is wearing Russian Order of St. Anna with Crown 1st Class, possibly Order of St. Anna with Brilliants 2nd Class and Ottoman Nişan-ı Zişan.
Apart from that we can see Russian Golden Saber for Bravery presented to his half-brother, vojvoda Milan Obrenović, by prince Bagration on December 21, 1809 (January 3, 1810). The saber is kept at the Belgrade Military Museum, more information about it can be found here.0 -
My previous reply very nicely illustrates how much of a watch expert am I
Because that's a common procedure and considering just how much of them aren't working properly I presume they have other issues.0 -
Serbian generals' pickelhaube M1873, full dress uniform.
Two of them are kept at the Belgrade Military Museum, one belonged to Milojko Lešjanin, the other one to Kosta Protić.
By the way pickelhaube was first introduced in Serbia in 1847.
Unfortunately the image is very small, I'll try finding better ones.0 -
Here's one more very nice photo of the general found on ebay.
General is wearing medal bar with:
-White Eagle 5th Class (4th class was supposed to be suspended from the buttonhole)
-Legion of Honor 4th Class
-Golden Bravery Medal 1877
-Silver Bravery Medal (1876 or 1877-78)
-Petar I Corronation Medal
-1876-78 War Commemorative Medal (?)
Inscription is pretty interesting, I can't read all of it but here are some parts:
"To dear friend Tanev
S. Grujić
?? Serbo-Bulgarian Alliance
October 5, 1912"
Could Tanev be Aleksandr Tanev (Александър Танев), future general, colonel at that time?0 -
Before Breitling Yugoslav pilots were using Zenith Cal. 143-6 and Heuer 1550SG.
A friend of mine inherited Heuer and I had photos of it but unfortunately I can't find them.
Pilots of the Army of Yugoslavia/Army of Serbia & Montenegro and Army of Serbia were and I think still use some of the Citizen's Blue Angels models! Some of the models I've seen have pilots' wings (FRY era type) engraved on the clasp.0 -
According to information a fellow collector shared with us on another forum you supposedly had to use plastic tweezers or some other tool during the battery replacement avoiding all contact between the battery and the mechanism itself. Is that really true or not I can't say but I've heard stories like that before...
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I did some reading and it looks like the first regulation that mentions medal bars is from 1889. If I'm not mistaken medals were being worn separately before that (just like we can see in the photo above).
Here's one more photo of Sava Grujić taken after 1887 when he was prompted general.
He's wearing a four, possibly five piece medal bar with four medals - Golden Bravery Medal 1877, Silver Bravery Medal (1876 or 1877-78), 1876-78 War Commemorative Medal and I'm not sure about the 4th one. Ribbon is not red so it should't be Medal for the Zealous Service in War 1877-78.0 -
Dragomire, thank you once again! I think it's safe to conclude it really is the same medal bar that got sold over the ebay couple of years ago. We should be thankful to person(s) who recreated these medal bars for being careless, I can't find any other explanation for putting the women's decoration on medal bar attributed to Aleksandar Obrenović.
I think there are a few mistakes regarding the medal bar attributed to Sava Grujić as well.
Let's start from the beginning:
-First thing that caught my attention is the absence of the 1876-78 War Commemorative Medal.
-He was definitely awarded with the Takovo 1st Class and Takovo with Swords 2nd Class but I can't find any photo of him wearing the Takovo with Swords 4th and 5th Class on his medal bar. There's a photo of him from I think late 1870s wearing Takovo 5th class (not on the bar) but then again that decoration is not present on his medal bars from the later period.
-Same thing goes for the Order of St. Sava.
-When we read the description Dragomir was so kind to share with us we can see that the ribbon for the Golden Bravery Medal from 1877 is wrong.
-I'm not sure if he received Golden and Silver Medal for the Zealous Service in War 1877-78, I can't find his name in the list of recipients published in 1879... Although that doesn't necessarily mean he's not among the recipients as these medals were awarded even post-1879. Doing some research I stumbled upon a name of my ancestor in the list of the recipients of the Medal for the Zealous Service in War 1877-78. He was one of around 40 people decorated with that medal in June 1881! One of them was also 2nd lieutenant Živojin Mišić, future vojvoda.
-I think Grujić spent the Serbo-Bulgarian War of 1885 in Saint Petersburg as the Serbian representative to the Russian Empire which would explain why I can't find any photo of him wearing the 1885-86 Commemorative Cross!Based on the model of uniform and his rank I'd say this photo was made somewhere between 1882 and 1887. The quality of the image is bad but I think he's wearing the Golden Bravery Medal 1877, Silver Bravery Medal (1876 or 1877-78) and the 1876-78 War Commemorative Medal...
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Milan Obrenović and the portrait of Miloš with his brother's saber by Uroš Knežević from 1835.
Miloš is wearing Order of St. Anna I Class, possibly II class with brilliants around his neck and Ottoman Nişan-ı Zişan.
Milan, was awarded with Russian Silver Medal for Bravery and Zeal on St. Anna ribbon (Медаль "За храбрость и усердие") on April 4, 1810. Apart from him 7 more Serbs were awarded with silver and 17 with golden medal! Unfortunately only one golden medal on St. George ribbon awarded to vojvoda Luka Lazarević is preserved and kept in the Historical Museum of Serbia. Miloš is also one of the recipients of the same decoration.0
Decorations from the collections of the Serbian museums
in Southern European & Balkan States
Posted · Edited by paja
Nice photo of decorations from the Historical Archives of Belgrade found on naseblago.rs.
Order of Freedom and Order of the War Banner belonged to Konstantin Popović while Yugoslav Star 1st Class belonged to Dragoslav Marković.