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    paja

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    1. Yes, the total number is unknown unless they weren't awarding that order after 1986. And that's just one part of the problem, the other one is the fact that even the numbers given for the period before 1986 are not complete. Considering that the Yugoslav Flag was introduced after the war and the number of recipients is not that big actual numbers shouldn't be too different from the ones given by Rudež.

      I believe that there are so many of them on the market because someone found a huge stash. Like I said we often hear stories like that and collectors are skeptical but I think that's the case here. When you look at the offer in huge amount of cases you get just the decoration, rarely can you see order inside box and I don't remember seeing a complete set with document! But when I think about it I don't think I ever saw a document for the 4th and 5th class of Yugo Flag ...

    2. Greetings Georg,

      That number is from the book "Decorations of SFRY" by Stojan Rudež from 1987. Mr. Rudež was the head of the Chancery of the Orders in the '80s (I think from 1982 'till 1984).
      The author gives us the number of orders awarded until the end of 1985, so the total number should be a bit higher. 

      I've also seen 5th class orders with numbers close to 800, (the highest one so far - 78X), for one of the rarest orders it appears too often on the market. I believe the numbering started from 1 because I've seen order with one figure number. 

      Bunch of 4th and 5th classes are available on ebay, for example, at all times, I think there are around 15 of them right now. I've also seen sellers with literally dozens of those lower classes. The first class is also appearing too often considering the number of awards, let's round it to 1500 (1421 + unknown number from 1986 until 1992).

      Considering that they do not look suspicious in any way, at least not to me, I think the most of them were not awarded. I know that many collectors are very skeptical about "the warehouse find" stories but I can't think of any other explanation.

      PS for some reason many online sources, including sammler, replaced the number of awards for 2nd and 3rd class. Rudež wrote that 1443 2nd classes and 1300 3rd classes were awarded until the end of 1985, not the other way around.

    3. Portrait by Đorđe Krstić (Ђорђе Крстић) from 1902. 
      Order of the Holy Sepulchre and Order of Miloš the Great are visible. I believe king Milan was buried with these two orders.
      The painting was heavily damaged by Bulgarian troops during WW1, canvas was cut and pierced with edged weapons. 
      Fortunately it was restored to its former glory.
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    4. Greetings and welcome to GMIC!

      I believe the thing that's confusing you the most are uniforms he wore while in exile. Yugoslav volunteers of the Allied Forces didn't wore Royal Yugoslav uniforms instead they wore British and American uniforms with Yugoslav insignia (buttons with Yugoslav coat of arms, stars for shoulder boards, patch Jugoslavia or Yugoslavia). 
      Here are couple of photos of Yugoslav Air Force uniforms (captain 1st class and lieutenant colonel) from some exhibition I found online. 
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    5. The order looked like that to me, that's why I ended first post about it with question "How is this possible?"
      The first thing that was confusing me is the fact that there was a lot of dirt on the order and after I thoroughly cleaned it those yellowish parts appeared, so they could not be that easily removed. I have no idea what could that be, they were covering too much of order to be a factory flaw, I doubt that someone painted the order and that can't be patina, but who knows I was wrong once, maybe I'm wrong again.
      Second thing, when you look at that last photo I've posted it looks like silver plate is on yellowish base not the other way around.
      Anyway this was bothering me so much that I tried cleaning it again but nothing happened. After that I tried mechanically removing it and it finally came off. I hate doing any kind of interventions but like you said it just wasn't logical so I had to know. In the end one thing is certain, the order is made out of some white metal, it remains to be seen if it's silver. 
       

    6. Thanks for the tip! Perhaps the problem with some of the images is the fact that there is no space between the codes, it looks like this ".jpghttp://". Maybe they would be visible if we separated them.
      Also I've noticed there's a problem with Serbian letters both Cyrillic alphabet and Latin letters that don't exist in English. Can something be done about that? For example take a look at this topic.

      I apologize for going so much off-topic but I'd be happy if some of those issues could be solved.
      If everything has to be done manually I'd be more than willing to help.

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