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I measured couple of pieces from my collection and Yugoslav made medals weight 23-29 grams while the Soviet ones are 32-33 grams.
Anyway nice looking medal, my congrats!0 -
Yes, the total number is unknown unless they weren't awarding that order after 1986. And that's just one part of the problem, the other one is the fact that even the numbers given for the period before 1986 are not complete. Considering that the Yugoslav Flag was introduced after the war and the number of recipients is not that big actual numbers shouldn't be too different from the ones given by Rudež.
I believe that there are so many of them on the market because someone found a huge stash. Like I said we often hear stories like that and collectors are skeptical but I think that's the case here. When you look at the offer in huge amount of cases you get just the decoration, rarely can you see order inside box and I don't remember seeing a complete set with document! But when I think about it I don't think I ever saw a document for the 4th and 5th class of Yugo Flag ...
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Don't mention it
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I apologize for not replying sooner.
I'm not sure about the rank issue. Perhaps the solution lies in the fact that he was commissioned in the RAF.
So maybe he wore "three stars" as a Yugoslav king while he held a lower rank in the RAF.0 -
I'm also not sure if that's a hallmark.
There are some examples that are not marked.
If you could post a bigger image of the front and back side of the order I think I'd be able to give you definite answer if that's really Rothe's piece or not.0 -
According to Stojan Rudež around 77.000 Bravery Medals were made in the USSR.
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Greetings Georg,
That number is from the book "Decorations of SFRY" by Stojan Rudež from 1987. Mr. Rudež was the head of the Chancery of the Orders in the '80s (I think from 1982 'till 1984).
The author gives us the number of orders awarded until the end of 1985, so the total number should be a bit higher.I've also seen 5th class orders with numbers close to 800, (the highest one so far - 78X), for one of the rarest orders it appears too often on the market. I believe the numbering started from 1 because I've seen order with one figure number.
Bunch of 4th and 5th classes are available on ebay, for example, at all times, I think there are around 15 of them right now. I've also seen sellers with literally dozens of those lower classes. The first class is also appearing too often considering the number of awards, let's round it to 1500 (1421 + unknown number from 1986 until 1992).
Considering that they do not look suspicious in any way, at least not to me, I think the most of them were not awarded. I know that many collectors are very skeptical about "the warehouse find" stories but I can't think of any other explanation.
PS for some reason many online sources, including sammler, replaced the number of awards for 2nd and 3rd class. Rudež wrote that 1443 2nd classes and 1300 3rd classes were awarded until the end of 1985, not the other way around.
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Mitar Petković (Митар Петковић) next to (his) adopted solution for the Order of Republic of Serbia.
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One more Miloš popped up at emedals, it can be found here.
"First Class by Karl Fleichhacker, comes with old original silk sash, without rosette."
That sash can't be original and it doesn't look old so how can they tell it's 1st class badge, why not 2nd or 3rd? They looks exactly the same...0 -
Mitar Medović (Митар Медовић) wearing Charity Cross, type with crown.
Photos found here.
Mr. Medović is humanitarian worker and retired police officer.0 -
Portrait by Đorđe Krstić (Ђорђе Крстић) from 1902.
Order of the Holy Sepulchre and Order of Miloš the Great are visible. I believe king Milan was buried with these two orders.
The painting was heavily damaged by Bulgarian troops during WW1, canvas was cut and pierced with edged weapons.
Fortunately it was restored to its former glory.0 -
Order of the Flag of Republic of Srpska with Golden Wreath
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You're welcome! I didn't even notice that the seller is from Maribor, I saw that the ad is on Croatian website so I presumed the seller is from Croatia.
Anyway definitely genuine piece made by the Soviets.0 -
Greetings and welcome to GMIC!
I believe the thing that's confusing you the most are uniforms he wore while in exile. Yugoslav volunteers of the Allied Forces didn't wore Royal Yugoslav uniforms instead they wore British and American uniforms with Yugoslav insignia (buttons with Yugoslav coat of arms, stars for shoulder boards, patch Jugoslavia or Yugoslavia).
Here are couple of photos of Yugoslav Air Force uniforms (captain 1st class and lieutenant colonel) from some exhibition I found online.0 -
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Don't mention it, maybe we shouldn't talk about people who look like they came straight out of Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut"
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José Mujica opened the first Book fair in Andrićgrad in June. During that occasion he was awarded with Order of the Flag of Republic of Srpska with Golden Wreath.
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The order looked like that to me, that's why I ended first post about it with question "How is this possible?"
The first thing that was confusing me is the fact that there was a lot of dirt on the order and after I thoroughly cleaned it those yellowish parts appeared, so they could not be that easily removed. I have no idea what could that be, they were covering too much of order to be a factory flaw, I doubt that someone painted the order and that can't be patina, but who knows I was wrong once, maybe I'm wrong again.
Second thing, when you look at that last photo I've posted it looks like silver plate is on yellowish base not the other way around.
Anyway this was bothering me so much that I tried cleaning it again but nothing happened. After that I tried mechanically removing it and it finally came off. I hate doing any kind of interventions but like you said it just wasn't logical so I had to know. In the end one thing is certain, the order is made out of some white metal, it remains to be seen if it's silver.
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I did a little research and stumbled upon it on FB in a folder named "Insignie of St. Michael Order of Knights".
Photos can also be found here.0 -
Thanks for the tip! Perhaps the problem with some of the images is the fact that there is no space between the codes, it looks like this ".jpghttp://". Maybe they would be visible if we separated them.
Also I've noticed there's a problem with Serbian letters both Cyrillic alphabet and Latin letters that don't exist in English. Can something be done about that? For example take a look at this topic.I apologize for going so much off-topic but I'd be happy if some of those issues could be solved.
If everything has to be done manually I'd be more than willing to help.0 -
Everything looks OK to me. I think I've seen that order before, if I remember well it was in a private collection in Slovenia.
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Order of Brotherhood and Unity with Silver Wreath question
in Southern European & Balkan States
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Order with ZIN needle is actually piece from IKOM which was remade at Belgrade. In most cases the number is partially visible because of the pin holder which was put on top of it.