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That's it! I called that type prototype because I don't know were they awarding it at all. I always thought of them as some variation of the order that was not accepted.
Order from your collection is not the first one I saw with that kind of box, over the years I've seen quite a few of them. My first thought when I saw one was that it must be for the 1st class order, but just like in your case the inscription on the lid said III class. Also when you look at the shape of indentation you'll notice that the box can't be for the 1st class. I've also seen boxes with the indentation upside down.
Early 2nd class orders I think had more different types of those small boxes. I've seen grayish with black interior and red with light brownish, light blue and red velvet like interior. When it comes to 3rd class I don't remember seeing any other type other than the red one with velvet like and light blue interior.
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You're welcome, unfortunately some images are still not visible after the forum upgrade...
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Images are too small to see the details but the box is certainly not original. Most of the collectors I know don't consider those bronze pieces or "museum copies" as original. My opinion is the same, if you want original order get MD or IKOM gold one.
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Some of them were very similar or practically the same but there were also new and original solutions.
There's a separate topic about FRY decorations with lots of images, here's the link for it:0 -
Greetings and welcome to the forum!
Most of the photos from this topic were found on various web sites, but still thanks.
Whenever I notice something interesting I post it here.0 -
Greetings Gunner 1 and thank you for sharing images of orders from your collection.
If I can see well first one has Roman numeral on the back side, most of them don't have any marks.
As for the boxes I think there's only a few more different ones, among others early small red one with light blue interior. That one is very unusual because it looks like it was made for prototype of the order.0 -
Next to Socialist Yugoslavia's Order of Military Merits.
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One more type 1A, this one is interesting because most of the silvering is gone. It's not so unusual to see an ad or auction for this older type with description "silver order". Here you can see what kind of metal they used.
This particular example has relatively small number and it must have been awarded in the '40s maybe even as early as 46-47.1 -
With younger brother.
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Finally got my hands on 2nd class. According to information I found online only 684 were awarded.
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Type 1C: Remade ZIN type 1A, screw was cut off and "fat" vertical needle was put instead of it. Number is still partially visible. IKOM used that type of needles on Order of Military Merits and Order of the People's Army so I presume they remade the order. This type is the rarest.
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Order was instituted in 1945 as Order of Labor 3rd class (Орден рада 3. реда). Name was changed in 1961 when it became Order of Labor with Silver Wreath (Орден рада са сребрним венцем). According to Stojan Rudež it was awarded 182.910 times until the end of 1985 making it second most awarded Yugoslav order.
First orders were made in ZIN (Zavod za izradu novčanica) Belgrade or to be more precise ZNB (Zavod narodne banke) what was the mint's name at the time. Apart from that they were made in IKOM Zagreb.
Order of Labor 2nd and 3rd class and Order of Bravery are the only orders that were made out of cheaper material (Tombac) since their institution.0 -
On 6/28/2016 at 17:33, paja said:
I found more information regarding these two decorations in publication "Decorations from the Collection of the National Museum in Užice" (original title "Одликовања из збирке Народног музеја, Ужице").
Medal was awarded to Vladislav J. Jagodić (Владислав Ј. Јагодић) who participated in Balkan Wars and WW1
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Silver Medal for Zealous Service for Woman 1876-1878 awarded to Stana A. Đ. Popović (Стана А. Ђ. Поповић) on February 11. 1879
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Document that came with the medal above0 -
You are away for couple of days and then you read St. Lazar survived all these years and is kept by some German Princely Family. Paul, thank you very much for revealing these information! I suppose most of us knew that that is a possibility but this is the first time someone actually confirmed it. One can only hope the order will see the light of day again, perhaps Karađorđević family will manage to return it to the rightful owner and fatherland now after some light has been shed on the subject.
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Those medals/miniatures are far from common! Exact date of the institution is not know, at least I wasn't able to determine it, probably after 1876-78 Wars for Liberation and Independence. Serbia once again became kingdom in 1882 and after that the name and the appearance of the medal were changed. To conclude it was awarded during a short period, 4 years at best, in an impoverished country which just came out of 2 hard wars, so the total number of the awarded medals can't be that big. Unfortunately numbers are not available for the most of the Serbian decorations so I can't help you there. I've seen only 2-3 medals so far in the literature and that's it. As for the miniatures before that one appeared on ebay I knew of only one example which is kept in the Military Museum in Belgrade. It's amazing that you have 2 miniatures in your collection, thank you very much for being so kind to share photos of them with us!
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I was just going through the finished ebay auctions when I stumbled upon miniature of one of the rarest if not the rarest Serbian medal!
SERBIA MEDAL SERVICE PRINCELY HOUSEHOLD 1878-1882 MINIATURE
Winning bid: US $735.00
Medal in silver-gilt or bronze gilt (no hallmark).
Diameter : 15,5 millimeters
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Don't mention it, Paul. Among other things Valtrović is the person who designed Order of St. Prince Lazar. He was also the head of the committee which chose the Karađorđević Royal Regalia.
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Socialist Yugoslavia Fakes!
in Southern European & Balkan States
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You're welcome, orders like that one on ebay pop up quite often, I think there had been a few of them in this topic before.
Best of luck with your new hobby, as they say all good things come to those who wait.