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Posts posted by paja
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Here´s my chetnik kindjal bayonet M24 CK, one of the most rarest bayonets.
Now that's a beauty!
And in pretty good shape as well, most of the ones I've seen lately are nowhere near it's condition
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One more dagger, City Museum Vršac, photo found in one of their catalogs.
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Last but no least, in a recent fair, I saw some copies of very rare Serbian badges, like the St.George Lijotic Breast badge and the Serbian Kingdom academy badge.
Two pieces of each, it was really two much I guess and had to take them in my hands, very very good copies with nice patina,unfortunatelly , I didn't had my camera to take some pictures, so watch out about these two, soon we might see them around on the net popping up
I saw some replicas of academy badges on ebay as well, photos can be found in this topic: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/63644-kingdom-of-serbia-military-academy-badge/
But these don't look that good. First badge was sold as original although it obviously isn't and the second one was offered as replica.
By the way, first seller also had very unusual box for the Order of St. Sava in mint condition, custom made, simply fake or something else?
(I apologize for going off-topic)
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Again thank you both for very useful information, tips and warnings!
It is really unfortunate that so many fakes are sold on ebay, usual price was 500$ if remember well... About those two in post #123 and #125, were they original or not I really don't have a clue, I wrote "now some nicer ones" because they seemed to be of better quality than those that I posted before them.
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Major Vlastimir Vesić (Властимир Весић), dagger with clearly visible skull & crossed bones on scabbard.
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Kosta Pećanac's dagger.
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Historical museum, unfortunately not very good photo.
#4 labeled as M17 knife of Serbian assault units, Salonika Front.
#5 Knife of member Yugoslav Army in Fatherland (?), 1941-1945
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One more thing, although some četniks really did use shortened regular army sabers (I've seen M1861, M1895, M1920), not all shortened sabers are četnik weapons per se.
For example I know of one case that a family of officer who died shortly after return to Yugoslavia from German POW camp sold his saber to local butcher who shortened it and that way got himself good cutting knife.
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Here´s some originals from the military museum in Belgrade. As you can see somebody has made copys of these daggers. Because these are unique of their kind. Nobody had the same of the chetniks.
I didn't know that, very useful information!
The red shield on the scabbard is taken from a scout´s badge I think, and then they have attached the skull on it. The eagle on the dagger seems to have been taken from a St. Sava order.
Many thanks for sharing those photos with us! Absolutely amazing dagger!
I never would have guessed the origin of the red shield, I know which badge you speak of and I think that you are right. Specific detail about those badges is that all Cyrillic S letters are rotated to the right.
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Unusual blade and very interesting engraving.
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Now some nicer ones (photos from ebay).
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Thanks for helpful information!
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Never saw anything like that... Someone trying to make extra buck by enamelling normal medal?
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One more photo with illustrations of the same dagger from article written by Branko Bogdanović I found somewhere online.
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Vojvoda Tankosić's (1880-1915) dagger, one of the most prominent leaders of pre-WW1 četniks (komite).
Photo taken at Military museum's exhibition "100 years from Battle of Kumanovo".
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His initials, Cyrillic letters В. Т. (Војислав Танкосић - Vojislav Tankosić).
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Now this is an original of lieutenant colonel Sinisha "Pazarac" Ocokoljic that was one of the closest officer´s of General Mihailovich. He was the organizator of the withdrawal to Slovenia. He managed to escape to Austria, but there he was kidnapped by Tito´s agents after the war and brought to Belgrade at a show trial. He was tortured and executed.
One of the most beautiful daggers I have ever seen! Could you perhaps post just a little bit larger photos?
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Second example.
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One more kindjal-shaped dagger.
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By the way the "head" of Petar II is from I think 10 dinars coin.
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Third.
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Second.
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What about this type? Good or fake? I've seen three examples just like that in short period of time.
First.
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3rd, skull with crossed bones on scabbard looks pretty much the same as the one used on M24ČK knife worn by the members of četnik (assault) units within regular army.
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All fakes! Bur very good maker, he makes an old patina too.
Yeah, those are them.
I think this one is the same as the 2nd (and the 6th?) from your post.
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Serbia - Original Chetnik items
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Looks like there are even fakes of that skull and crossed bones badge from the scabbard...
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