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One of the awards appear to be Ottoman and the other at least not Romanian.
I agree, looks like Order of the Medjidie to me...
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Much better quality. More details.
http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-7937-0-82216300-1408544281.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-7937-0-18671900-1408544295.jpg
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Couple of images of original piece that recently got sold on ebay.
http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-7937-0-36202900-1408544181.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-7937-0-91406100-1408544192.jpg
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And more, this one's much better than the previous one.
Photos found on one Slovenian forum, many thanks to the original uploader!
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Women in folk costumes.
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Couple of details.
http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-7937-0-35601500-1408489118.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-7937-0-08749600-1408489125.jpg
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Photos of a "museum level replica" that has recently appeared on ebay.
It is offered by the same seller that has those Yugoslav Grand Stars and Double Dragons both already discussed on the forum.http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-7937-0-78227700-1408489026.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-7937-0-57258300-1408489035.jpg
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Photo of original piece from Bjeloš collection found online.
I forgot to mention that they are offered as "ROMANIA 20TH ANNIVERSARY CIVIL WAR IN SPAIN". Pretty obvious fakes...
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More.
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Photos of original badges found on ebay.
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More interesting stuff from the same source.
Fifth Spain fighters congress badge.0 -
Absolutely amazing piece, my congrats!
Enamel looks perfect, box is in very nice shape with golden coat of arms of the Principality of Montenegro on the lid unbelievably preserved after all these years. Even the recipient is know, really can't get much better than that
Many thanks for sharing it with us
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Thanks for clarification
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Many thanks for new information and photos!
In this topic http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/6396-montenegro-bravery-award/?p=241117 2nd class set is presented for which it is said that it is made by Russian producer Igor Ozeretski. I tried to find some info on that producer but had no luck...
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As for the gazette, there could be multiple reasons why it isn't listed in the Gazette, I know of a couple Serbian officers whos British orders aren't listed in the London Gazette, yet they have definatley received them
A member of my family was awarded with Distinguished Service Order and Order of the Bath, I know this for sure because I have a copy of his file and also DSO can be seen on one of the photos I have in my possession. I tried to find him in the Gazette, all possible variations of his name, but no result... In the end I gave up.
Sorry for going off topic.
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And for the end King Petar I.
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Larger medal bar, still on the last place.
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King Aleksandar Obrenović.
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Couple of photos of Serbian Kings with the cross. Notice the placement of the cross on their medal bars.
First King Milan Obrenović.
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Is there such a thing as an official Order of Precedence for Serbian awards of this period? That would decide the issue, I think.
I found it!
http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/56056-serbia-kingdom-medal-bar-on-ebay/?p=517975
Rank decree for Military orders and medals (1939)1 Star of Karageorge with Swards 1st Class2 Star of Karageorge 1st Class3 Star of Karageorge with Swards 2nd Class4 Star of Karageorge 2nd Class5 Order of White Eagle with Swards 1st Class6 Order of White Eagle 1st Class7 Star of Karageorge with Swards 3rd Class8 Star of Karageorge 3rd Class9 Order of White Eagle with Swards 2nd Class10 Order of White Eagle 2nd Class11 Order of Yugoslav Crown 1st Class12 Order of St. Sava 1st Class13 Star of Karageorge with Swards 4th Class14 Star of Karageorge 4th Class15 Order of White Eagle with Swards 3rd Class20 Order of White Eagle 3rd Class21 Order of Yugoslav Crown 2nd Class22 Order of St. Sava 2nd Class23 Order of White Eagle with Swards 4th24 Order of White Eagle 4th Class25 Order of Yugoslav Crown 3rd Class26 Order of St. Sava 3rd Class27 Order of White Eagle with Swards 5th Class28 Gold military star of Karageorge with swards29 Silver military star of Karageorge with swards30 Order of White Eagle 5th Class31 Order of Yugoslav Crown 4th Class32 Order of St. Sava 4th Class33 Order of Yugoslav Crown 5th Class34 Order of St. Sava 5th Class35 Gold medal for bravery36 Silver medal for bravery37 Medal for coronation of Peter the I38 Albanian retreat medal39 Medal for military virtue40 Gold medal for zealous service41 Silver medal for zealous service42 Gold medal for civil merit43 Silver medal for civil merit44 Cross for charity45 Commemorative medal for 1912 war46 Commemorative medal for 1913 war47 Commemorative medal for 1914-1918 war48 Order of Red Cross49 Gold medal of Red Cross50 Silver medal of Red Cross51 Bronze medal of Red Cross52 Other commemorative medals; i.e medal for liberation of southern land; medal for liberation of northern parts, civil medal (royal household medals), medals for soldiers (sharp shooter medal etc.)0 -
Wow!
The way those medals are worn, however, would make any Chancellor of Honours scream! ... wrong order ... and in two rows!! Good thing she was a civilian.
Sounds like she spent too much time with the Serbs
Over here it was not that unusual to see that even officers didn't mount their medals on a bar according to regulations
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You are most welcome Glen!
There is official Order of Precedence, it was posted somewhere on the forum I'll try to dig it up...
I think that Red Cross decorations were on the last place, Rogi mentioned that they were usually worn after all other decorations (or at least that's where they should have been placed).
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I found one more interesting photo of a Red Cross Order recipient, and it is also mounted on the medal bar.
Kathleen Burke.
http://writeso.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/kathleen-burke/
She also received St. Sava and Charity Cross.
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As for the producer I believe that it's most likely to be Hugenin considering the period in which it was awarded. Of course I could be wrong...
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Serbian Red Cross Decoration - Great War
in Southern European & Balkan States
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Sorry for late reply, the order looks great, enamel is perfect! Thanks for better images, About the producer I agree with Rogi![:)](https://gmic.co.uk/uploads/default_smile.png)
I am sure that he already sent you images of those Rothe examples, here's how their hallmarks look like.
FR + purity of silver on the suspension ring.
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