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Greetings Igor,

According to those tables Stevan Jankovich was a private in Šumadijski korpus (Shumadija corps), II division, Kragujevacka brigada (Kragujevac brigade).

You have mentioned Silver Bravery Medal in the post #3, is it Serbian. Are there complete lists of all of the people that were decorated during the war in

that book? And do you maybe have complete scans of it?

Regards,

Radmilo

Rank and precedence of the Royal Orders from 1883:

01: Order of the White Eagle 1. grade

02: Order of the White Eagle 2. grade

03: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 1. grade

04: Order of the Cross of Takovo 1. grade and

Order of the White Eagle 3. grade

05: Order of St. Sava 1. grade

06: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 2. grade

07: Order of the Cross of Takovo 2. grade

08: Order of St. Sava 2. grade

09: Order of the White Eagle 4. grade

10: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 3. grade

11: Order of the Cross of Takovo 3. grade

12: Order of St. Sava 3. grade

13: Order of the White Eagle 5. grade

14: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 4. grade

15: Order of the Cross of Takovo 4. grade

16: Order of St. Sava 4. grade

17: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 5. grade

18: Order of the Cross of Takovo 5. grade

19: Order of St. Sava 5. grade

Srdjane thank you so much! I was looking for it for quite some time now... Considering how much the order of precedence is important and that it can be very useful

to other members of the forum I suggest that we make a new, separate topic about it. I don't want to take the credit for your work so it would be nice if you could

find some time to start that topic yourself. I was able to find the order of precedence from 1883, I will post it here soon.

Kind regards,

Radmilo

Greetings Gentlemen,

Last night I was in a mood for something easy, stupid and entertaining - what better choice than Hollywood Marvel Comics Iron Man 2.

Mickey Rourke plays the villain Ivan Vanko (Bad Russians in American movies again? maybe they are tired of bad Muslims ).

Anyway in couple of scenes it is pretty obvious that he wears some kind of silver cross around his neck, when I payed closer attention

I saw that that was actually St. George Cross. This was interesting to me so I wanted to share this little detail from the movie with others.

Looks like he is wearing the Cross turned around.

I forgot to mention that these pictures are from an article about Yugoslav 1944-1946 cockades written by B. Bogdanovic for Russian magazine Zeughaus #39.

1. NCOs and soldiers

2. Officers

3. Generals

By the way is that medal bar with the British Military Cross the same as the one that can be seen on the picture in the post #14?

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/32324-serbia-rare-medal-for-bravery/

There was one medal bar with the British Military Cross but also with Czechoslovakian Order of the White Lion 5. class (Military division)

and the Frech Croix de Guerre on emedals.com.

Emanuel he indeed was a high medical officer, actually a general. On the back side of the bar is written sanit.(etski) djeneral Jordan Stajic.

I've found couple of notes about him here: http://forum.valka.c...pic.php/t/68434 (25 Jan 1868 - 28 Jan 1949)

I think that on the 8th place is the ribbon for the Charity cross and that those red stripes are actually from the ribbons on the left and the right.

But everything matched perfectly to look like the ribbon for the St. Andrew's Assembly commemorative medal.

What could be on the 6th place? Czechoslovakian Order of the White Lion is the first thing that comes to my mind. Maybe even Polish

Cross of Valour, but not likely even though I've seen Serbian medal bars with this Polish decoration.

Emanuel thank you once again for sharing pictures of your impressive medal bars! I really like the one with the Greek War Cross.

My congrats on such a beautiful collection!

Paul that's a nice story and I am glad that a place like that exists in England. Flora Sandes is not forgotten in Serbia.

I remember that our teacher was telling us about her when we were still in high school.

Some time ago I watched a TV show on our national TV not only about her but also about other women from Britain

that came to help us during the war and of course about the Scottish Woman's Hospital.

Also a TV movie was made in Serbia about Flora called Our Englishwoman. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0192353/

The movie was broadcasted on our national TV to commemorate 90 years since the end of the Great War.

I think she was married to a former Russian White Army officer. Here's one nice postcard with her wearing

Karagerorge star with swords, St. Sava and the Order of the Serbian Red Cross (on completely red ribbon?).

By the way, this might be interesting to you in case you haven't seen it before, one more "empty" medal bar. This one was sold on one Serbian auction site

for around 150 euros.

Thank you very much Emanuel for sharing these information with us. I find them very helpful!

When it comes to retreat through the Albania I agree with you. That was one of the most tragic episodes in Serbian history, according to some sources around

250.000 people died during that long march or briefly after it. People who went though those snowy mountain paths were truly heroes. I have two of these medals

from my direct ancestors. I know for sure that from my family at least 4 people went through those mountains.

I had no idea that the Charity cross was suppose to go in front of Bravery medals! Thank you again for that and all the other information!

Best regards,

Radmilo

Greetings Emanuel,

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. What comes to my mind is that if someone messed with this medal bar maybe not all of the ribbons

(except for 2 mentioned before) are from Obrenovic era. Maybe the blue ribbon is for the Medal for the zealous service and the pale-blue is for

Charity cross.

When you take a look at different Serbian medal bars, even though some regularity exists, there is a lot of inconsistency.

For example Albanian retreat medal is mainly in front of all of the commemorative medals (Balkan Wars & WW1) and also in front of the Medal for military virtue,

Medal for the zealous service, Charity cross...

Example 1: http://gmic.co.uk/in...-that-got-away/

Example 2: http://gmic.co.uk/in...r-bravery-1913/ post #7, your medal bar.

Example 3: http://gmic.co.uk/in...kan-war-ww1jpg/

But I have seen medal bars where it came after Medal for the zealous service and even First and Second Balkan War commemorative medals.

Example 4: http://gmic.co.uk/in...ia-medal-group/ after Medal for the zealous service.

Example 5 http://gmic.co.uk/in...a-5-medals-bar/ after Medal for the zealous service.

Example 6: http://gmic.co.uk/in...rbia-medal-bar/ after Balkan Wars commemorative medals

On some medal bars Albanian retreat medal is even in front of French Croix de Guerre.

Example 7: http://gmic.co.uk/in...-not-so-common/

But mainly is after Croix de Guerre:

Example 8: http://gmic.co.uk/in...ia-medal-group/

Also mainly after Petar I Coronation medal but can also be before:

Example 9: http://gmic.co.uk/in...ting-medal-bar/

Medal for the zealous service on the most of the medal bars goes after the Medal for military virtue , but I believe that you had in your possession medal bar

where 2 Medals for the zealous service came before Medal for military virtue (I know I saw that picture somewhere, not sure where).

These are just a few inconsistencies which helped me make a point, and this is the main reason why I've asked for a complete order of precedence.

Best regards,

Radmilo

Thanks Obi,

It is understandable why he does not want to sell you the order. I would be very grateful if you could maybe upload couple of pictures of your cousin's order.

Of course if you personally or your cousin doesn't mind. In any case thank you.

Regards,

Radmilo

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Greetings Emanuel,

I saw that medal bar, I think it was sold for somewhere about 200$. What do you think about this one?

Same seller, no "hooks" for medals and a bit sloppy sewing. Some of the ribbons were identified by the seller,

he said that all of them are from Obrenovic era except 1913 war commemorative medal (+Red Cross medal).

Anyway If I am not mistaken this bar is consisting of:

--White Eagle

--Takovo Cross

--St. Sava

--Aleksandar Obrenovic coronation medal (according to seller)

--Silver bravery medal (1876, 1877-78, 1885-86)

--1876-78 war commemorative medal (according to seller) [on non-combatants ribbon?]

--1885-1886 war commemorative medal

--Serbian Red Cross medal (white, peace-time ribbon)

[if this ribbon was for a cross, not medal, I think it wouldn't have been on the place before the last]

--1913 war commemorative medal

Does anyone happen to have a complete order of precedence for Serbian (Obrenovic dynasty era) and then later

Yugoslav (Karadjordjevic dynasty era) decorations? I would be very grateful is someone could share it with us.

Regards,

Radmilo

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By the way is that Order of Republic of Srpska on your avatar picture? Haven't seen many of those, is it a part of your collection?

So there are actually two hallmarks on the ring. On that ebay picture only one can be seen.

Guess one hallmark must be for silver and the other one is producer's.

Anyway thank you for your help and pictures!

Regards,

Radmilo

Thank you Igor for sharing pictures of your collection with us!

To tell you the truth I think I've never seen numbered Obilic before. I've seen some with the name of the producer inscribed in the back, but never with the number.

Can you tell us where did you get it and do you happen to know to who it was awarded?