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Wow! Great pair - Outstanding. Cheers Captain Albert

Thanks Jonas, The only California National Guard ribbon/medal Col. Winnie earned was the California 10 year service medal (see below). He had no other UN service after Korea, and returned first to Japan then the US. Cheers Captain Albert

Winnie leaves the ETO and was reassigned to the States on 9 May 1949. He attends New York University, New York as a student studying Safety engineering. On 28 May 1949 he was assigned as Executive Officer of the Provost Marshal Section at Headquarters 6^th Army, Presidio of San Francisco, CA. Winnie transfers to the Military Police Corps on 31 Jul 1950. On 15 Jan 1951 Winnie was a Student Officer TDY to the Provost Marshal General School Camp Gordon, GA. On 3 Feb 1951 Winnie returns as Executive Officer of the Provost Marshal Section at Headquarters 6^th Army. On 2 Aug 1951 Winnie was the Acting Provost Marshal at Headquarters 6^th Army. On 1 Sep 1951 Winnie reverts to Executive Officer of the Provost Marshal Section. He serves at Headquarters 6^th Army to 7 May 1952.

On 7 May 1952 Winnie was assigned to Headquarters (HQ) IX Corps, Far East Command (FEC) as Assistant Provost Marshal. This duty was in Korea. 16 May 1952 he was made Corps Provost Marshal, HQ IX Corps, FEC. Winnie was awarded the Legion of Merit in 1953 for his service in Korea with XI Corps. IX Corps Campaigns: World War II (Asiatic-Pacific Theater), Korean War (UN Offensive, CCF Intervention, First UN Counteroffensive, CCF Spring Offensive, Summer-Fall Offensive, Second Winter, Summer-Fall 1952, Third Winter, Summer 1953). IX Corps Decorations: Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citations (streamers embroidered Korea 1950, and Korea 1952 - 1953). Winnie had earned the Korean Service medal w 2 Br. Stars, the U.N. Korean Service Medal, and the Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation for this assignment with IX Corps. Winnies campaigns were: (Summer-Fall 1952, and Third Korean Winter). From Winnie's ribbon bars it appears he was awarded the South Korean Order of Military Merit 5^th Class. This is not recorded in his personnel files, as with the Korean Presidential Unit award.

On 10 Mar 1953 Winnie was transferred to the HQ 8232d Army Unit at Camp Tokyo, Japan as the Deputy Provost Marshal. On 20 April 1953 he becomes Provost Marshal for the HQ 8232d Army Unit, Camp Tokyo, Japan. On 3 Aug 1953 Winnie was promoted to Full Colonel. In 1954 he returns to the US.

Hello all, I have this medal group to Col. Franklin Edward Winnie, LM, ARCOM & BOLC. I can not identify the last ribbon on his rack. Any help would be appreciated. It might be the South Korean Military Merit medal 5th class - but I am not sure and it is not in his records. Thanks and cheers Captain Albert

Legion of Merit (1953, Korean War, IX Corps)

Army Commendation Medal w/ Br Oak leaf Cluster

American Defense Medal

American Campaign Medal

European African Middle Eastern Campaign Medal w/ 2 Br stars

World War II Victory Medal

Army of WW2 Occupation w/ Germany Bar and Berlin Airlift Device

Medal for Humane Actions

Korean Service Medal w/ 2 Br stars

National Defense Service Medal w/ Br star

Armed Forces Reserve Medal (NG) w/ Hour Glass

U. N. Korea Medal

?????

Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation (not in his record, but entitled to and he is wearing in above photo)

Well finally got all the materials from the son, and put in rikker mount. Note: one of 1,400 LTA (Blimp) pilots trained during WW2. One thing I should add - none of the Blimp pilots or crews received any decorations, I am award of. So I leave with this quote from a WW2 Veteran. ""Many of us LTA veterans are coming up on 80 or are already there," said Harold Edwards, the blimp crew chief who caught a glimpse of the Hindenburg on its final flight. "We did the work they asked, finding subs and protecting ships, but my friends always ask where the recognition went, where are the air medals?" – This is a very good question. Cheers Captain Albert

Well I finally hear from "museuminfo.navalaviation@mchsi.com" and the article they sent said 1,400 Offices and 3,000 crew men were trained during WW2. Thanks Captain Albert

Thanks tony, That was what I though. Cheers Captain Albert

I agree, good deal at 16 bucks. Ring suspension is more valued IF you are a variation collector, if not then it's a matter of just having an example in your collection. 75 seems too high for a ring suspension. They are more scarce that the knob suspension but are not impossible to find. It comes down to what you are willing to pay for the variation. I would not pay more than 35 or 40 for one at the very high end so i think yo got a good deal.

My $.02

Tony

Thanks Vtwinvince, I know I did a couple (a long time ago). Most of the ribbons shown above are good replacements, I need to find the Thailand Order of the Crown ribbon, the Turkish Imtaiz Medal ribbon, and probably the Life Saving Medal ribbon. Medroy of England has a very good selection and quality of ribbons. I might try the British Ghunzee 1839 (2nd type ribbon) for the Turkish Imtaiz Medal (might have to bleach a little). Cheers Captain Albert

Hello, Here is a illustration from a book "The Decorations and Medals of the Republic of Vietnam and Her Allies, 1950-1975" . On page 76 - The book states 50,000 ROK troops in "Country" at their peak pre-1970. I saw some of these guys they were brutal to each other so I can imagine what they were like to the Vietnamese. The book has a rarity scale 1 to 10 with 1 being the most common - the ROK medal is a R-4. All US medals are R-1, and the British General Service Medal (1962) with "South Vietnam" bar is R-10. I hopes that helps. Cheers Captain Albert

Thank you all for your options and help. The bar represents Fregattenkapitän Franz-Christoph Schroeder Served 1897-1919, I own his 2 Diaries, paperwork, and a lot of extras. Cheers Captain Albert

Boy you guys don't make it easy! But I think that would look the best. Cheers Captain Albert

Yeah, I'd vote for Prussian parade mount as well - it just looks awesome.

Hello All, I would like some options on reconstructing Imperial medal groups. First do collectors have problems with this? Second what type of mounting would be best. British style overlapped? Prussian Parade mount? Not mounted - just arranged in a row? This is not to deceive anyone, only to rebuild the group. All medals are originals (Colonial is Jeweler's copy). I plan since original Venezuela 1902/03 bars are very expensive to have a piece of 1/4 " brass stock just engraved. Any thoughts are welcome and appreciated. Cheers Captain Albert

Tim is right on - the band looks like an old repair. Cheers Captain Albert

Well I picked up one - extra fine condition, nice original ribbon and suspender, no swords, no certificate, not named for less than $400.00 US. Still a lot of money. Cheers Captain Albert

I agree. Also masking tape is great for removing all the loose lint, dirt, etc. Cheers Captain Albert

Interesting Kepi - it looks like an Artillery piece that's obviously seen better days. Although, a bit of straightening out and a good brushing to tidy it up would probably breath a bit of new life in to it.. Date wise - difficult to say but sticking my neck out a bit here, I would say late 1920's - 30's or possibly a little earlier. Perhaps some of our French collectors maybe able to get a better fix on it.

Many thanks for sharing it with us, as it is always nice to see such intriguing pieces.

Best regards,

Zob123

Thanks Ed, yes I know about the half wings - most of the Blimp pilots did not like them as they had qualified as "Naval Aviators". The medal group I got has his original full Aviator's wings (what he wore in all his pictures). I was really trying to figure out just how many Blimp qualified officers there were in WW2. Oh for information I bought 2 of the current half wings from the Navy exchange earlier this year. Thanks again Cheers Captain Albert

Check this out. May be of some help.

http://en.wikipedia....ble_Pilot_Badge

Ed

Hello all, I have been researching a small medal group to a Naval Aviator (Blimp Pilot). It seems to me there were not a whole lot of them. I saw one statement that by 1944 - 1,500 Officers were trained for Lighter Than Air (LTA) service. I would guess maybe 2,000 by Wars end. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Captain Albert

File Name: The Order of California (CAOC)

File Submitter: army historian

File Submitted: 02 Mar 2011

File Category: Rest of the World

The Order of California

By Captain George J. Albert

The Order of California is the third highest award in the State's pyramid of honor, and is the highest award for exceptionally meritorious service. It is presently awarded to both military and civilians.

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Thanks guys - very informative looks like it is worth more that the Order of Osmanie 4th Class. Cheers Captain Albert

Hello ,

It depends on ;

1 - The Condition .

2 - Does it have the original ribbon ?

3 - Does it have the Swords ?

4 - Does the name of the person whom it was awarded inscribed on the back of the medal ? ( Very Important , nearly double priced . )

5 - Does it have the award certificate , specially if the owner also inscribed on the reverse of the medal , and the certificate the same name , ULTRA hard to find.

Now the price ;

Starts from 600 USD to 1800 USD .

Was the rap - brooch piece numbered? If not I agree with you. Nice medal. Thanks for sharing. I got this message from the dealer I bought the medal from "Should go out Thursday George. You got a hell of a buy on that – I’ve never seen one sell for less then $50!" Cheers Captain Albert

Oh, no doubt, I was happy to see no one wanted to go over $9.99! It's near mint and has some lacquer in a couple of spots on the reverse but, other than that, looks great.

Now, on the other hand, there are numerous later issue versions, some listing for over $75. That's just crazy IMO but then again, depends on who wants it bad enough. I personally would not have paid near $120. for the wrap-brooch example but there were others that did. SO, in your case, you might find someone that really wants it.

Tim

Thanks for the reply Tim. I'll say one thing if you got a ring suspension Navy Expeditionary Medal for less that $15.00 you are really doing well. I have found almost all ring suspension medals usually higher in price, but you are correct it depends. Cheers Captain Albert

Hi,

I really don't think you're going to see much difference in pricing honestly, these were pretty common medals and seem to remain abundant, even today. I picked up a nice ring suspension Navy Expeditionary Medal just recently and still paid less than $15. for it, despite finding more modern examples listing for more. The one I got had the ring suspension and crimped style brooch, but there was another one with the wrap brooch that sold recently and it still sold around $30. if I remember correctly and these are harder to find.

Guess it all comes down to what someone wants to pay for it at that moment. Hope that helps answer your question a bit better.

Tim

Tim B, yes I am aware of the 2nd type medal *(knob suspension) American Defense Medal, this is the first type "Ring Suspension". I know they are very scare, that is why I asked for a value. I have seen a few for $75.00 and up. Cheers Captain Albert

Hi Capt Albert,

It's about average IMO. All depends on who is selling it, as I have seen these go from anywhere between $9.99 - $29.99 for a complete boxed set as shown below. Just pays to be paitient as sometimes there are no other bidders and then, bidding wars knock these common service/campaign medals out of the park.

Tim

I have this document signed by Konter Admiral Walther Koehler awarding the German War Merit Cross 2^nd Class with swords to the First Officer of MS General Osorio Theodor Rose for running the blockade on the M.S.Porto Alegre dated 1941. I don't know if it is possible, but I would like to get more information on First Officer Theodor Rose. Sorry for the quality. Cheers Captain Albert

Hello All, I just picked this up for $15.99 and would like some options - It looks good, but I am not real familiar with going prices (other than cheap). Thanks Captain Albert

Merwn, the Aviator Geens in the above picture is a Lieutenant Junior Grade (Lt.J.G.)= (Sub-Lieutenant). I have a "Trashed" twin that I will use to promote the one above to Lieutenant Commander, Bailey rank. I have (2) WW2 Naval Aviators medals groups of that rank. Here is the trashed twin. Cheers Captain Albert

Are they the badges of rank for a Lieutenant ?

Great catch - very rare to get "named" miniatures. Cheers Captain Albert

I aquired this set of miniatures recently. They are attributed to Lt Col HB Cuming who was Commanding Officer of the Kaffrarian Rifles. The Cape of Good Hope GSM, QSA and KSA are named ! His colleagues had his name engraved on the Colonial Auxiliary Forces Officers Decoration. The QSA has 4 bars - Cape Colony, Transvaal, Wittebergen and Wepener. I was very fortunate to get this one. What do you think?