johnnymac

I agree fully with Rob’s statement .

Rob,

I do enjoy seeing what out there, thanks for the heads up on the medal in questions and its number. Its a nice medal, and as I do not have an original or reproduction Siam. I would very much think about bidding on this medal as a fill in if: I were under 70 years old and the cost was reasonable.

need example with a good and sound suspension knob.

Regards, Jim

What is its number on ebay?

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This item is about to end on ebay today. It is for a photo of a veteran in the 1970, in his uniform wearing his 2^nd Division Medal. As I see it, the medal in the "photo" is the later pin issued type, as you can see the clasps are all together (no spacers). Where as the victory medal offered is correct, but it does not match the photo. If this is his medal why would he be wearing a very late issue type Victory medal, since he is wearing all the other original medals he received?

Any thoughts on this combination?

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Bill, could be due to more direct light in a macro photographed setting?

This item is up for sale on ebay and someone asked my thoughts on it.

So I'll post my answer here: The ribbon is the type used on un-aurthorized medals. The clasps are of the type FIII & FIIIa (known fakes). Last without question the Navy never issued a medal with 4 clasps.

This medal in MHO was made up by, or for someone who is clueless about the details of a WWI "Navy" Victory Medal, or by someone who is trying to get the best bang for the buck in resale. If you asked could this medal been made up by a veteran? Yes, but he is long gone, and without his input it remains a bunch of stiff put together by an unknown person who may sold this item to this dealer.

To all, you should put your own value to this medal if interested #360838218564

They made a common theme medal (ribbon, subject matter for the medal) so each of the allies countries did not have to exchange a medal with each other. Hench the inter-allied Victory Medal.

I will add onto Irish Gunner, that it also should be remembered that the U.S. did not enter into the war in 1914 as did the UK, but later in 1917. So I feel the UK troops at ready earned the British trio of War medal, campaign star and victory medal, and may be should have been awarded even more medals!

Happy New Year Lambert,

Laslo in book, page 74, Figure 93, he listed this medal as a unofficial type 1.

I go back to my earlier statement: "if stated or hinted as being official", it should be labeled a fake, artificial, bogus, dummy, fictitious, pretend, sham, etc, etc.

Jim

davidckahn

I do understand your point which is, because this item is offered for sale, and is stated or hinted as being official, it should be labeled a fake, artificial, bogus, dummy, fictitious, pretend, sham, etc, etc.

To me there are only truly three types of medals: official types, unofficial types and the ones properly advertised as reproductions. When I write in this forum there are many collectors from many countries who read these articles and by keeping wording simple it may be better understood by all.

As to the second part of your question - this medal has the U.S. ring type suspension and I, for one, have not seen this on the Portuguese medal before.

Jim

All three are unofficial. The third medal you listed is the newest on the scene

A big Merry Christmas and to a Big Happy Holiday to all,

Jim

Thanks Bill for your time and effort,

and to all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,

Jim

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This one was posted one this site. I think Rob is the owner "or" poster of this item

a Happy U.S.A. Thanksgiving to all Jim

Hello Chris,

Thanks you for your posting. As I see it, if it was just a crack it is to perfect a cut and the separation between the two sides is just too large. ,

What is interesting on this Polish medal is the name is not on the rim.

Jim

please also check S&H is $9. Each set.

Hi Bill, click photo to enlarge.

To all

I ask, do you realize how much brass needs to make it crack? I have shot and reloaded ammo for years. Rifle and pistol brass is under extreme pressures even so that brass case can be reused depending on how hot you are reloading it to. I discarded mine rifle and pistol brass after 4 – 6 firing, not because of cracks, but for safety. When firing brass, all brass flows which make brass weaker to a point that will crack.

That suspension ball is at least 50 times thicker than rifle or pistol brass. Do you really think someone by hand could push a ring into an undersized hole and put that much tension/pressure on it to make it eventually crack?

The hole in the ball is straight you could hammer a tapped pin into it, that would put pressure on ball. But if you were to just hand forced the ring into it the ring would give before the ball would crack.

Sawing relieves that slightly undersize hole, and by sanding with several passes that brass can clean up very easily.

CUP ( copper units of pressure) or PSI ( pound per square inch) is 47,000 to 50,000 PSI for standard rifle cartridges the size of .30-06!

Regards, Jim

Maybe sawed open to put a higher ring though the ball?

Lambert,

Since I have not seen anything official saying this medal is official not even in Laslo's book. I, myself would class it as an unofficial ever though it has rim marks. Rim marks only help in supporting who manufactured these medals, but it does not tell us who made the dies or who had these medals made by the establishment of Andrean Chobillon. The bottom line is there are just to many differences between the original Cuban medal and this medal in question to believe it is a second issue by the same person of the original Cuban medal.

Regards, Jim

Lambert,

What is missing is the fact that the word "made in" had to be adding to imports after 1931. So, we can some what, date this medal as made between 1931 - 1950.

Here is another example of the same medal.

Regard, Jim

Click on photos to enlarge them.

Lambert I do not agree that your medal (post #68) is an original Cuban and there is why.