Daniel Cole

In a previous post I mentioned that I once had the HoHx doc for Friedrich Renke. I also had his listing of all his awards, service etc. I think I may have stumbled on a photo of him. Renke was from Hamburg, and was a school teacher so the info fits. Apparently he was a Ortsgruppenamtsleiter. Can someone confirm its the same guy?

The photo comes from the following site:

http://www.germaniainternational.com/nsdap7.html

What is between the EK2 and Hohenzollern? Is it a Red Eagle?

Is it Infantry or Fussilier Regiment 73. I have one unit hisdtory of Fussilier Regiment 73 (Gibraltar). May I can get some name ideas based on the company.

Is the person on this listing?

http://www.dragonofannam.com/members.html

"First of all - there is no Mecklenburg on the chain , it is Braunschweig KVK2."

that was a total bonehead mistake on my part! A case of engaging fingers before engaging brain!

OH, I thought it would have went EK, Meck, SE, Hind, then Bulgarian.

Aren't those minis in the wrong order?

I thought it was a silver bravery medal, but the ribbon looked different.

Here's a picture for Wikipedia showing his bar. Too bad its not closer.

That Gauleiter was not a very pleasant fellow.

You know there is an interesting "what if" concerning WWI. In the 1780s the US failed by one vote in congress to have the official language be German instead of English (Or so I have heard). Had the US been a German speaking nation, how would that have affected the events in the 20th century? Would language be stronger than our historical ties to Great Britian? Interesting to ponder.

Ehrenzeichen fur Schiess Gewehr?

What was the opinion of the one with the red background? Is it an an original? The Blue one looks like one of those Spanish copies.

Why couldn't the EK ribbon be an 1870, not a 1914? Is it the lack of the 1870 Combat medal?

The response:

Dear tke878,

yes, the red one is an eye catcher as i'm not such a good photographer (see the blue ones). So i'm selleng the blue one for my friend.

- flandern1

I asked the question which one is being sold. We'll see if I get a response.

Someone should ask him which one he is selling? That case is a total copy, I have one just like it.

Both Johnston and Neibaur were awarded the medal the same day by General Pershing. That was February 19, 1919. Johnston is in the front row 8 from the left. Neibaur is in the back center.

Early pictures of Neibaur show him wearing as a pinned decoration, but the early models after the turn of the century could also be hung on a next ribbon. In WWI you will see pictures of these medals and they are easily distinguishable because the don't have the pad of stars.

Also the Medals up to the first world war were silver gilt. Johston's shows that, as does Neibaurs and the one recently sold by Detlev Neimann. That medal was also awarded the same day in February.

(I'll have to resize the picture too big)

Here a crazy hypothesis for the UN medal: I was a USN exchange officer assigned to the Federal Germany Navy for a period of 2 years 1989 -1991. I served in Minehunters and on the Staff of the mine flottilla. So perhaps if this is real, the Junior officer was a similar exchange officer assigned to a Nato navy. That could possibley explain it.

Just a WAG.

Also i'm thinking navy because of the NAM. Could be a Marine.

Wrong UN medal. That is not a Korean Service, its something else. I don't think its enlisted because of the lack of a good conduct. Its probabey from a reserve junior type officer (since there isn't a Navy Commendation medal of higher) that was sent to some command in the gulf war like in Riyadh or Bahrain.

The question I have is that Saudi medal. The rumor was issue pieces were gold, but who knows.

I personnl think this is just some reservist group, nothing special.

I think this discussion is totally in the ditch. What was the original question again? Did someone think they had von der Linde's PLM, or was it just one like his? Were we certain that is actually von der Linde in the photo and not Billy Bob at a local reinacter convention?

Great stuff on Johnson! Here is a picture of Thomas Croft Neibaur (my second Cousin) and I believe Johnston on their way home form the war.

Where are Johnston's decorations? Neibaurs are in the state museum in Boise, Idaho

SPM,

I concur. My point is there are 2 groups; award pieces, and everything else (the mine field).

Lets assume for discussion that the S&L piece I have was given to me by Ernst Ju"nger during a visit to his home in Willfingen. Let's assume he said he had worn it in his later years on occasion. The piece is clearly not original, it does have providence, it isn't a "Fake" in the sense of "to defraud", it is simply a recipient's other decoration. I would think it would have a collectable value. However, once back home I post on this web site that "gift" was Junger's PLM. The daggers would fly!

This whole debate is really kind of pointless. The non issue pieces is a wide area where I don't think folks will agree.

Another example is "Der Rittmeisters" PLM on his website. I believe he said he got it from the von Schleich family. However I believe it was also mentioned that the piece is unmarked. That is contrary to award pieces of pre 1918, correct? So assumming his PLM is POST 1918 only documented providence is what would set his piece apart from other post 1918 pieces.

Cheers,

Dan

This is sure a heated and lengthy discussion about what are really just copies. They're not award pieces, they are copies, or in harsher words Fakes, regardless of whether or not a recipient wore any of these pieces. Who knows. Is the point here to document all the various copies of the PLM out there?

So von der Linde may have had a second piece, or third piece or pimped a different varient for each day of the week from each medals manufacturer, to me I really only care about the one placed around his neck when awarded. What was it, a Wagner or a Friedlander, pie or baroque, silver gilt or gold? Anything else is a copy.

Happy New Year.

And Ernst Ju"ngers from his Museum.