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Here is one that's for sale right now.

Item#310009135725

I have some questions about this one though... does anyone else have issues with the following

The serial number looks weird, the MD mark is weird (different), the finial is less pointy, the second and third symbols are weird (the rings of the symbols are filled), not the same smooth curvature of the flag on either the top or bottom...Sloppy attachment of screwpost...although this could be a repair... a few other little issues...

Anyone agree???

Cheers

JC

ps. forgot to mention the $1355 asking price.....

JC... so can we assume you have an A1 / A2? If so - please show some pics

HI Bob,

Yup!! I have two of each!! They are sitting in my display cabinet next to my order of victory and my victoria cross!!

Bob, I'm a realist at heart and I'm afraid that those pieces will probably never be mine!

I'm pretty sure that A21 and A31 ain't gonna happen either.

I'm still young(ish) though, so who knows.

and sorry I didn't reply to your PM but thank you very much for the info...

Cheers

JC

The inside....

Here are my, much less attractive, docs.

JC

Right now, I have suspicions that the unnumbered ones may just be "escapees" and unawarded.

Hi Ed,

I'm assuming you're referring to the 1.3 variation, correct?

I went through a few boxes and I came across these two little docs, the one is numbered but I'm afraid I don't have the matching medal.

First up though a set that Vatjan posted a year or two ago....

JC

OK, . . . .

Try this:

Type 1.1 (numbered, screwback, engraved number); Low = 81/High = ???

Type 1.2 (numbered, screwback, stamped number); Low = 3543/High = 4501

Type 1.3 (unnumbered, screwback)

Type 2.1 (numbered, pinback); Low = 541/High = ???

Type 2.2 (unnumbered, pinback)

????

Does anybody have a picture of a Type 1.3.

I'm having another look at these....

JC

ps. or a type 2.1 for that matter...

I'm just trying to put a few things together here....

In the signature thread (posts 22,23,24) there are several documents that have the signature of a mystery man named Sharav...

The dates range from 1950 to 1958.

In the pages Bob has posted there is a Mongolian hero B sharav.

Could this be the same guy??

Is there more text in the book about this man or is that it???

I whipped out the old dictionary and did a translation of the text and here is what I came up with.

It was an easy translation for a change so I'm pretty confident it's right. Fingers crossed!

Anyway, I'm speculating for now until I get my copy of the book, Thanks again UB6356!!

JC

8th mounted Division

23rd mounted Regiment

Platoon commander

V. Sharav

Монгол улсын хөдөлмөрийн баатар, ардын жүжигчин, төрийн шагналт хөгжмийн зохиолч Дагвын Лувсаншарав---> Labour hero, People's Acter, State Prize Awardee, music composer Dagvyn Luvsansharav.

Thank you very much UB6365!!

I stand corrected!

JC

Nice looking tunic you've got there,

Would you be able to post a close up of the orders please????

Thanks

JC

Here is a nice picture of labour Hero Mr. Sharav. ( I think that was it)

Perhaps our Mongolian members could help with the article???

Thanks.

JC

Labour Hero Sharav

Hero Star nr 19 now for sale for 2 euros

280162428253

Hero Star nr 32 now for sale for 1 euros

280180965436

ps. Same seller.......Same *****, No ***** !(pardon my French)

JC

The Last Awardee of Honorary Medal of Labor (dd 23.11.07)... And it is me!!! ( On the left side, of course with President Enkhbayar on the right side.) Hope will be awarded with some orders in futgure...

May I be the first to say.....Congratulations!!!

We'll all hope for orders but for now that medal looks pretty good!!!

Congrats again!!!

JC

Ooooohhhhh, JC. I see cause for concern here (though I don't have any hope of reading bichig). Hope you don't mind, but I am sending this off to UB for comment.

It bothers me. A lot.

Thanks Ed.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that's bothered by it....I hope the good doctor can shed some more light on the matter...

I must say that the source was not, let me be polite, reputable.

What are your thoughts on the one Jan posted???

The writing is equally bad and also has me concerned, although much less so than about mine.

JC

Here is Vatjan's.

I just got this document in, and something about it is bugging me....

It looks OK and is of the same type as the one Jan posted in post#39 of this thread, but the hand written Uighur is "weird". It just doesn't look right!

I've also never seen the date done in this way before and the signature is just plain sloppy.

Any thoughts?

JC

Awarded to Mr.Borisov #45455

Ohhhh.

Your wish list . . . maybe . . . may be . . . .

Have some goodies "on the horizon" . . . .

Thank you Ed, that would be great!!

JC

I still hope that one day I will get one

Order of Victory

Well I think that Igor may still have two that he hasn't listed yet....

Perhaps just a theory but who knows ...My guess is that he'll list #448 at well over 3k any day now and perhaps #1635 will follow...

I'm glad I have a couple and that's enough for me........Just need a few small pieces to complete the puzzle... A21,22,25,31,40.1.2,60 B02 C01,2 D01,2,3 F01

Anybody wanna help???

JC

Just for your information:

List of items sold by Central bank (price quoted in MNT, rate is 1$=1170 MNT)

1. State Prize (45-62) 55 pcs * 80,000

2. Sukhbaatar order 1*700,000

3. Combat Red banner (1926-31) 6* 1,000,000

4. Combat Red banner 1939 7* 1,000,000

5. Combat Red banner (2nd award) 1939 3*700,000 ??

6. CRB 1945-1970

1st award 240*60,000

2nd award 319*250,000

3rd award 181*400,000

4th award 90*600,000

7. Labor Red banner 1926 1*1,200,000

1931-40 6*700,000

1940-45 4*1,200,000 ??

8. Altan Gadas 1926 1*1,200,000

9. Member of Baga Hural 87*40,000

Member of Ikh Hural 1960-1990 8*25,000

1990-1992 191*25,000

I wish I would have been there that day!!!!

JC

So another Gonchigiyn Bumtsend on the left.

Is that a second signature next to his?

I had a look at this signature and it looks to be a fellow named Bayar.

That name shows up many many times in award booklets both in Mongol script and Cyrillic.

I've had a look at the other docs. you posted and these are the names I got.

Some you had, just adding a few more although I'm not sure who they all are..

the docs in....

Post 16 and 17: Tsede(?) could be another letter after the last E but it is less obvious on the later document Jan posted (#21)

18: Bumstend

Bayar (Can't find him anywhere)

19: Yanjmaa

Bayar

20: Bumstend

Bayar

21: Tsede(n)????

Bayar

22,23,24: Sambuu

Sharav (who?)

25,26: Sambuu

Luvsangr?tkh (hard to read after Luvsang....)

27: Sambuu

Gotov

28: Luvsan (Sonomyn Luvsan was chairman of the Great Khural from 29 June 1972 - 11 June 1974 and was awarded the SB 3 times)

Gotov

29: Tsedenbal

Gotov

30: Gotov

31: Bagabandi

32: I can't read this one...

I guess the only new identifiable one is post 28 Mr. S Luvsan....

JC

1st pic orders:

top: Grand Cordon of the supreme order of the Chrysanthemum

mid: Grand Cordon of the order of the rising sun with pawlonia flowers... ( sash belongs to this order)

bottom: 1st or 2nd class breast star of the Order of the sacred treasure.

Medals:

1:Order golden kite 5th

2:1894-95 war medal

3:1900 Boxer rebellion medal (I think, but there are options)

4:Should be the 1904-5 medal but it doesn't look right.

5:Red cross order of merit

6:REd cross membership medal

2nd pic.

1st is 4th class rising sun

4th is 1894-5 medal

2nd last is Manchukuo national foundation medal (he's old so this could be I guess)

last could be Manchukuo Imperial visit to Japan medal

3rd pic last medal is Manchukuo Imperial visit to Japan medal

I hope this helps and I hope I'm right...

JC

I'm no expert but it looks good to me!

It is the more common "large Dove" variation..

Take a look at this thread for more on the vaiations..

Cheers

JC

nomonhan incident medal

Sign me up!

Same here!!!

Don't forget this reasonably priced one on Ebay!!

JC

Ebay Sukh

Link not working for some reason so here is the Item #..

270171249669

Sure thing Ed!!

JC

P.S. Any thoughts on the ribbons?

Great looking set you have there Bob... Too bad I don't have the badges to go with the docs.. Well the search is on!!

The best I can do is a picture of the lady above wearing her udarnik and a ribbon bar for what looks like the order of combat valour and something I can't make out....

Seems a little unusual to me but I might be wrong.

JC