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Manchukuo Order of the Auspicious Cloud first class.

This item went unsold on ebay with the reserve not met at $3000.

I'm not even sure what these are made of, both bronze and brass are possible.

Fortunately they weigh about the same.

I looked up some info about the various metals and both bronze and brass weigh +/- 8500 KG per cubic meter. Silver weighs about 10500 kg/cu.m so that means that silver is 23.5% heavier than both Brass and bronze.

So all other things being equal a 16g brass/bronze badge should weigh just under 20g if it were to be made of silver...

Jan,

I believe fjcp was asking for the reverses of flatback herder Badges, not the mirror-reverse type.

Dolf

Thanks for trying to help Dolf, but it was in fact the mirror reverse ones I was hoping to see.

Jan mentioned that the first of the three, #1236 was a solid silver mirror reverse badge. I was hoping to see something that would distinguish it from the others but there isn't anything obvious that I can see...

The mystery continues.

JC

Jan - isn't it about time you post a nice overview pic of your ENTIRE Mongolian collection (awards, docs, etc.)?

Between you, FJCP and myself we probably cover about 99% of the Mongolian awards in the hands of "lowland countries" nationals

You may be right!! but I think you may have 70% all by yourself though Bob!

As you posted in the "hero star" thread I'm still looking for a bunch of stuff myself I just can't seem to get the kind of items from my "sources" like I could 6 months ago. The Choibalsan state prize was a missed opportunity for sure, great price too. I'm still kicking myself for that one.

I hate being the bearer of bad news, but I'm afraid there are even more subdivisions.

I have three different Type 2.1.2 (Mongol legend, mirror reverse, serial number at 7 o'clock)

On the left n? 1236: only 13 grams, I believe it is silver

in the middle n? 3450, 16 gr; definitely silverplated bronze, the silverplating has xorn off and the base metal shines through

on the right n? 3519, 19 gr, might be silver, though I'm not sure, see the different more transparent blue enamel.

I'm sorry

The more the merrier!!! I wouldn't mind having 100 of these

Your 3450 matches in appearance and weight (+-.1g) to my 3444 and 3471 so that's fine.

The enamel on 3519 looks like the enamel on the solid silver flat backs (type 2.2.3) so that's certainly interesting. I'm just curious about the first one......13g seems awfully light for it to be silver.

Jan could you please post some pictures of the reverse?

I'm jealous

You're not alone there Ron.

Great piece you have there Glenn!

Thanks for the acknowledgment Ed, just doing my bit.

We should really be thanking you for your contribution, which has been invaluable.

Now back to the topic at hand.

Here are the three known variations of the flatback J02 herders badge.

The first two are the silvered brass ones and take note of the enamel and quality differences between them and the third all silver badge.

Serial# 865 16g

Serial# 1507 16g

serial# 4400 19.1g

JC

This might be interesting:

arlington grave of Van Iersal

reverse.

I've got several updates. Serial numbers etc. but I thought this was as good a place as any to start.

New high ORBL type 2 #7020.

I'll post both the front and the back 'cause I can never get enough of these.

Front.

Going by the award date of #6238: 15/04/1993 Bamyn Dojuu, I'm guesssing that this one would be from the very late '90's/early 2000 or could it be unissued???

It's in near perfect shape so who knows...

They did switch to the Brass ones so maybe this was issued.... the plot thickens

Jan,

Another good question....did you bring back any "souvenirs"?

Ed, any chance of an update?????

All I can say is, your collection is just amazing!

Not sure if you do requests but I was hoping you might delight us with a side by side picture of your D01, D02, and D03.

You are no doubt the only person here, or anywhere for that matter to have all three.

Thanks in advance

JC

new high type 1.1 #4501

This looks like a (new) type 3 or a "mule".

It looks awfully similar to "X 02" but the suspension has a different "fingerprint" pattern on the suspesion which itself looks slightly different.

I'm guessing that this is a type 2.

Are the type 2s all painted or are there type 2s with enamel?

nice enough

That should be Sukhbaatar #1465 awarded in 1981.

I'm gonna grow one just like it!!!!

a few more...

Hard to tell but I "saw" 254 right away before even reading your post.

Here are two online Mongolian-English Dictionaries.

websters

batbold dictionary

Hope they are of use.

JC

Found this one on Ebay the other day.

Should we consider this a sub-variation?

Serial number variations are so much fun

JC

New low for a type 4.1

Nordrhein-Westfalen coat of arms would be the most likely source.

JC

Here is a new high for a type 2.2, for sale right now from the usual ebay source...

Enjoy.