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      Private Matvey Pavlovich Netsenko

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted · Edited by Christian Zulus

      2 different citations - only 1 Glory :unsure: ?

      Gentlemen,

      due to the fact, that Gnitienko's Glories 3cl & 2cl http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtop...st&p=229303 had been earned in the ident 55th Rifle Corps at the Crimea, I went through Netsenko's citations again and found an interesting fact.

      In my opinion we have in the Netsenko-case 2 different and seperated (time & location) citations:

      - 25th to 26th of october 1943 Melitopol

      and half a year later

      - 8th to 12th of may 1944 Sevastopol & Cherson

      Both events fullfill the regulations for getting an Order of Glory and the first Order of Glory 3rd class had been confered to senior sergeant W. S. Malyshev at the 13th of november 1943, so it would have possible to award comrade Netsenko with a Glory 3cl.

      Another point is, that he received his Glory 3cl more than a year later at the 1st of july 1945.

      I think, that Netsenko should have got a Glory 3cl for Melitopol and a Glory 2cl for Sevastopol & Cherson :jumping: .

      So, Ed's Crimean-Glory contains two medals :D .

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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      This is real?

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      Dear Marcelo,

      looks like a (extraordinary well preserved!) version 1 of that medal. Usually V1 of that medal shows more wear.

      The ring seems to be soldered to much to the left side (out of the center), but that can happen.

      At least - due to crisp details - the medal is strucked and not casted.

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

      It would like the opinion on that medal:

      sevas1.jpg

      sevas2.jpg

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      Nakhimov Medal s/n. 2.200

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      50% is banging our heads against the wall when we "could have and should have..." :banger:

      Dear Charles,

      banging our heads is not up to our Christian belief :jumping: .

      Someone other is happy with that award our group :D .

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

      BTW: We are not the owners of our collections of Soviet awards, we just keep them. The owner is the recipient - or the people of the (non-existing) Soviet Union.

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      STALIN : New (old) icon in Putin's Russia

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      EU-Legislation

      Dear Nick,

      due to the legislation in Austria (and some other countries at the continent), you might go straight to prision, if you state, that Herrn's Hitler Germany and comrade's Stalin Soviet Union did crimes at the IDENT level :mad::jumping: .

      I really wouldn't like, if www.gmic.co.uk would be blocked in Austria and some other EU-states .... :rolleyes:

      O.K., that's not the point of this thread - I just informed about an article in TIME-Magazine about Russian's President Putin and how his government sees the history of Russia in the 20th century.

      Due to the EU-legislation you can publish what ever you want about Joseph Stalin & CCCP, but you are very restricted about what you publish about Adolf Hitler & Nazi-Germany - just a hint ... :rolleyes:

      It's not a matter, who has deviated a thread at your GMIC-platform, it's just a matter of EU-legislation :D .

      Please take care, that GMIC stays in "Hitler vs. Stalin discussions" within the EU-laws - many thanks :cheers: .

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

      BTW: I have changed my avatar - no more comrade Stalin .... :rolleyes:

      This has deviated into one of those classic 'who was worse? Stalin or Hitler' threads which are prevalent across a multitude of internet forums. They usually devolve into body counts and examples of brutality in an attempt to either somehow demonstrate one regime was more evil than the other, or even worse make a case to excuse one genocide as being somehow not half as bad as the other. Unfortunately such rhetoric just serves to support individuals with perverted ideology from both sides of the political fence.

      I am glad to say so far this has not happened, but this is dangerous ground to tread and as a consequence this topic may be locked.

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      STALIN : New (old) icon in Putin's Russia

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      No one denies there were shocking and tragic losses. But one needs to keep in mind the realities of the period. Just think about it - Soviet Russian managed to achieve in 10-20 years what took the rest of the world centuries. He also was at helm of Russian when fighting in WWII.

      From this prospective Stalin can be viewed as great leader.

      Dear William,

      that's a 100 % correct view of history :D:cheers: .

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

      BTW: Not so many (non-Russian) people in NYC might share your view ;) .

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      Soviet & Eastern Block Quiz - 2008

      in Russia: Soviet: Other Militaria

      Posted

      Dear Christophe,

      o.k. .... I understand :D .

      At the moment, it would be more useful, to have such a kind of "search-engine" for the old quiz .... :rolleyes:

      Technically possible :unsure::love: ?

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

      Hi Christian,

      It works, but until now you can't type more than the figure "4", as there are very few posts in the 2008 Quiz... :rolleyes: It is not tomorrow that we will be able to type "1498".... :cheers:

      Cheers.

      Ch.

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      Soviet & Eastern Block Quiz - 2008

      in Russia: Soviet: Other Militaria

      Posted

      Dear Christophe,

      sorry ..... maybe I am too stupid, but the search-function (brillant idea :jumping: ) doesn't work :( .

      I always get - whatever number I type in - to your last post at the new quiz 2008 ....

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

      Summary

      Here are all the topics dealt through our questions and answers of this Quiz.

      To find easily a post, please use the following link, in replacing the last figure 1 by the number of the post you are looking for :

      <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=24290&st=1" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=24290&st=1</a>

      Example : <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=24290&st=1498" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=24290&st=1498</a> will drive you to post #1498.

      Are shown below :

      * Subject / question dealt - Number of the post where has been asked the question.

      Awards / Orders & Medals

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      Nakhimov Medal s/n. 2.200

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      I know what you mean... Right time and right place.

      I was lucky too. Nothing like a XX Anniversary of Red Army with photoed document for 200 dollars and a screwback ORB with some enamel replacement(minor) for 190 dollars!! :rolleyes: Most of my Soviet Orders and medals I would not be able to afford today! My only regret is that I did not get some of the items I wanted when I could have actually afforded them. :unsure:

      I remember Igor offering me a Nakhimov medal without document for 200 dollars, but I wanted a whole bunch of WW2 Campaign medals he had at the time, instead... :banger:

      Dear Paul,

      in 1994 a wasted EUR 150,- into a faked screwback ORB and in 2000 I found a genuine one T2/V2 s/n. 41.317 at the flea market in Vienna for EUR 36,- (thirtysix).

      I didn't buy a cased HSU for EUR 800,-, a Suvorov 2cl (erased s/n.) for EUR 950,-, a Suvorov 1cl (genuine, but with "museum"-stamp and without s/n.) for EUR 2.900,-, a Uzhakov 2cl for EUR 4.500,- or a Kutuzov 1cl for EUR 5.000,- in the year 1994 :banger::speechless::angry: .

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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      Nakhimov Medal s/n. 2.200

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      The Gods must love you in a BIG way!! :speechless1:

      Dear Paul,

      our researcher does always a perfect job and Podolsk is a well organized archive :D .

      I am not sure, if "God" lives in Podolsk - maybe, who knows ;) .

      In december 1993 I inherited a savings book from my passed away grandfather with some thousend Dollars. I didn't really need the money, since 1980 I had my academic interest in Soviet history and so I invested the money into the nice Soviet items, I saw in the shop windows of three major dealers in Vienna. That's the simple story, how I got into Soviet phaleristics and how I got my crown jewels for an bargain - just the right time for investment :rolleyes: .

      The fact is, that without the research, Gnitienko's Glory-set would have far less than 50 % of it's actual market value, besides the fact, that the research induced "living history" into the 3 medals.

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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      STALIN : New (old) icon in Putin's Russia

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      Soviet labor camps vs. German extermination camps

      ... and geting back to the topic

      You do have to be careful with Solzhenitsyn as he is, after all, a novelist and not a historian. His religious and essentially "tsarist" biases also have to be taken into account.

      Still, a fine enough novel (not up to the standard of Bulgakov's The Master and Margarita), but NOT history.

      But this is :off topic: ???

      Dear Ed,

      you are right: It's not history. But I guess, that Solzhenitsyn captures somehow the "atmosphere" inside the labor camps of Beria's NKVD (or KBG) in a rather realistic way.

      If you compare the content of Solzhenitsyn's small novel with the content of one of the great reports about AUSCHWITZ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp , then everyone will understand the hughe difference between extermination camps in the Western World (i.e.: Germany & Himmler) and labor camps in the Eastern World (i.e.: Soviet Union & Beria).

      The labor camps of the insane madman Beria hadn't been THE ultimate "hell on earth". The "hell on earth" had been Auschwitz, Majdanek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdanek , Treblinka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp , etc., etc.

      Geting back to the topic:

      I simply think, that Russia sees now the history of the 20th century in a more objective & sober light - in opposition to most of the western mainstream-historians. So Stalin gets a bit out of the "evil corner" and the NKVD-system (as a uncontrolable "state inside the Soviet state") is geting even more evil - that's a trend, I can see among Russian historians.

      I guess, that the Russian government want their own "Napoleon" ;) . Bonaparte was also a great military leader and a modern statesman ("Code Napoleon"), but with a lot of shortcomings and of strange nature.

      Again: Have a look at the material Montefiore presents in his 2 Stalin-books.

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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      How to store & present medals + documents

      in Preservation & Restoration of Military Artifacts

      Posted

      I myself am looking (for a long time already) for an old entomologist cabinet - rather than store spiders, butterflies, etc. to store medals. One day I'll find that perfect cabinet (preferably not new but antique) :banger:

      Dear Bob,

      consult the hughe and old museums of natural history around Europe - maybe one of them gives away one of their old entomologist cabinets from the 19th century :D .

      Problem: The smell .... :(

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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      STALIN : New (old) icon in Putin's Russia

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted · Edited by Christian Zulus

      I don't know what else you would need to form an opinion of Stalin

      i.e.: US-President F. D. Roosevelt's view about him .... :rolleyes:

      I recommend the two (rather new) Stalin-books of Montefiore - excellent sources:

      http://www.simonsebagmontefiore.com/

      As most of the anglo-americain historians dealing with the history of the CCCP, his view is somehow "State-Department-Biased" (soft censorship works!), but tons of first class material :D .

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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      Nakhimov Medal s/n. 2.200

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      Seriously, great awards you have. Would be nice to see a picture of how you display them or are they safely locked away?

      Dear Bob,

      many thanks :cheers: .

      That's a look to a part of my modest collection: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=16223

      The drawers with the more expensive items & groups are usually in my family's safe at the bank, otherwise the insurance would be far too expensive ... :rolleyes:

      If a collector-friend visits me, I fetch the drawers from our bank and display the full collection :D .

      Best regards :beer:

      Christian

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