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Hi Avsar IBAR

Thanks I was looking at them.......

Just for your info take a look at this group......

Mike

Fantastic!

My only negative comment would be those modern ribbons (as on the star) are not nice at all.

Why, oh why, can they not make proper ribbon for the stars!

Hi Chris......

I agree with you about the modern ribbons...... I wish that I could get a large amount of original ribbons, at a cost that would not break the bank.......

I have a number of lengths of original but I have saved them for family mountings......

Mike

Yes I do all my own framing otherwise it would cost a fortune...... I find most of my frames at Garage Sales (Same as Car Boot Sales for our English friends) and at flea markets...... I know what I want to frame and have a general layout in my mind and then go looking for a frame...... I try to keep the frame as simple as possible not to take away from the contents........

Mike

No frame for this one yet......

One of the members of our society has done a very very extensive research project and has identified over a dozen official contents for these tins...... Candy, Tobacco, Biscuit, Writing Materials, Sewing Kit and Spices...... He even owns one officially issued that is made out of silver which was given the Maharaja's of the Indian Princely States...... It is going to be published sometime in the near future......

Mike

Good Evening Gentlemen.....

Just thought you might like to see this......

114 Private George Henry Doherty....

Top Left - As a Cadet age 14

Holster

Center Right - As a Trooper taken in South Africa

Pocket Watch presented as a returning home gift and engraved

Queens South Africa Medal

Mike

Just look at this thread.......

http://www.britishmedalforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=41606&hilit=MOUNTING

Mike

I'd assumed he was land based however he has an MiD in the London Gazette under the blanket heading of 'bravery and skill in the hazardous operations in which the allied forces were landed in North Africa'. When that was awarded his service card shows him as HMS Eaglet with Pentstemon in brackets next to it. Eaglet was in Liverpool but HMS Pentstemon was in North Africa at the time and directly involved in the landings. Also his medal entitlement card has a handwritten HMS Pentstemon 8/41 - 10/43 on it. Can anyone decipher the significance of this for me?

HE COULD HAVE BEEN SECONDED (TEMPORARY DUTY) TO SHIPS EVEN THOUGH HIS NOMINAL OR ADMINISTRATIVE BASE WAS EAGLET HE WAS ON THEIR ROLL.....

Secondly what medals was he entitled to?

THE WAY THAT I READ IT HE WAS ENTITLED TO:

1939-45 STAR

ATLANTIC STAR

AFRICA STAR - NORTH AFRICA BAR (NAVY AND RAF PERSONEL ONLY)

ITALY STAR

THE PUZZLE IS THE FRANCE AND GERMANY STAR

AND THE

WAR MEDAL

On the photograph attached it seems to show his Africa Star with a rosette on it but I don't know what that means.

THE ROSETTE IS FOR THE NORTH AFRICA BAR

Also his MiD oakleaf isn't on his Africa Star but that's where it was awarded?

THIS IS ONLY WORN ON THE WAR MEDAL

On his medal card (scan attached) several medals are ticked but some have an 'R' either as well or instead. What does that mean?

IF YOU READ THE MEDAL CARD HE WAS ISSUED REPLACEMENT / DUPLICATE OR MEDALS ON 13TH AUGUST 1951

I'm surprised he didn't qualify for the Defence medal and I was wondering if it's possible to find out if he was entitled to any bars to these medals?

HERE IS WHERE I THINK THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE, THE REPLACEMENT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A DEFENCE MEDAL AND NOT A FRANCE AND GERMANY STAR..... IF I AM WRONG HE WOULD ALSO HAVE A FRANCE AND GERMANY BAR FOR HIS ATLANTIC STAR.....

There is also another medal referred to on the remarks section of his card issued on 19/8/53 (scan attached) but I can't make out the writing it could possibly say 'navy medal'?.

I THINK THAT IT IS A NAVY LSGC AS WARTIME SERVICE WOULD COUNT A DOUBLE AND THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM THE 18/20 YEARS SERVICE.....

Perhaps someone out there knows what it might be-a Coronation medal perhaps?

IF HE HAD THE CORONATION MEDAL IT WOULD HAVE A CORONATION STAMP....

Hi Shams.....

There are several books on the subject one of the best is Dress Regulations of the British Army 1900......

Or is there specific units that you are after????

Mike

On the Militia uniforms I have seen the colours are the same as the home regiment......

Mike

This item was in a Princess Mary Christmas tin I purchased a few months ago.

Has anyone an idea of what it could be?

Regards,

Will

Don't think it came in an original tin as it is dated 3 years after the last of the tinns were issued..... Could be the top end of a spoon that has been shaped...... A bit of trench art.....

Mike

This is an exceptionally rare little item and I have never seen one prior to this. Based on a trench periscope of the type used at the Siege of Mafeking during the Boer War - they have called this a Hyposcope. I expect periscopes , of some type, must have been in use for many years prior to this date of 1900 - however, the idea of making them small was to be put to good use in the trenches during World War 1 (1914-18).

This is not the type used at Mafeking - which would have been bigger and have been made in the local workshops. This is a tin type with silk screened lettering and would have been sold to the crowds at the Coronation Procession of King Edward 7th. in 1902. They still make and sell these at State occasions in London - but nowdays, they are of cardboard. The principle - of course - is two mirrors on opposing sides which reflect the image from the top to the bottom and in the process give added height to the viewer to see over the heads of crowds.

Although a little worn from age, it is still a rare and interesting piece and over 108 years old.

Hello Mervyn.....

To get back to the original post I have seen an advert for these periscopes in the Grafic Magazine being sold to see the parade on the return of H.M.S. Powerfull's crew and for the return of the C.I.V......

Mike

Good Morning Ladies and Gentlemen:

Just an offering for your viewing and reading pleasure my latest accuisition, a Canadian casualty of the Anglo/Boer War. Infact Sgt. Hammond was the first casualty that the unit suffered also a rumor of Friendly Fire.

HAMMOND, DAYTON BROWN

BOER WAR - PART ONE

REG. NO.: 129

RANK: DRIVER

REGT: "C" BATTERY, ROYAL CANADIAN FIELD ARTILLERY

BARS: CAPE COLONY, RHODESIA, TRANSVAAL

REMARKS / HISTORY:

1. VERIFIED IN BOOK, KNOWING NO FEAR BY JIM WALLACE

2. 12 PAGES OF SERVICE DOCUMENTS

3. PHOTOGRAPH OF THE GRAVE OF D. B. HAMMOND

4. ENLISTMENT DOCUMENT

ENLISTED AT: TORONTO, ONTARIO

ON: 2ND FEBRUARY 1900

AGE: 22 YEARS

BIRTHPLACE: OWEN SOUND ONTARIO

FORMER CORPS: 31ST GREY'S BATTALION

TRADE OR CALLING: FARMER

RELIGION: CHURCH OF ENGLAND

NOK: FATHER, ROBERT HAMMOND, OWEN SOUND

ADDRESS NOK: OWEN SOUND, ONTARIO

MARRIED OR SINGLE: SINGLE

NUMBER OF CHILDREN AND AGES: NONE

HEIGHT: 5' 9 1/2"

MARKS ON PERSON: NONE

MEDICAL REPORT: FIT

DATE OF DISCHARGE: 30TH NOVEMBER 1900 TO JOIN HOWARD'S SCOUTS / CANADIAN SCOUTS

BOER WAR - PART TWO

REG. NO.: 129

RANK: SERGEANT

REGT: HOWARD'S / CANADIAN SCOUTS

BARS: ENTITLED TO ORANGE FREE STATE, SOUTH AFRICA 1901 NOT WITH MEDAL

REMARKS / HISTORY:

1. VERIFIED IN BOOK, KNOWING NO FEAR BY JIM WALLACE

ENLISTMENT DOCUMENT

RANK: SERGEANT

REGIMENTAL NUMBER: 129

ENLISTED AT: CAPETOWN, SOUTH AFRICA

ON: 1ST DECEMBER 1900

AGE: 23 YEARS

BIRTHPLACE: OWEN SOUND ONTARIO

FORMER CORPS: 31ST GREY'S BATTALION / "C" BATTERY ROYAL CANADIAN FIELD ARTILLERY

TRADE OR CALLING: FARMER

RELIGION: CHURCH OF ENGLAND

NOK: FATHER, ROBERT HAMMOND, OWEN SOUND

ADDRESS NOK: OWEN SOUND, ONTARIO

MARRIED OR SINGLE: SINGLE

NUMBER OF CHILDREN AND AGES: NONE

HEIGHT: 5' 9 1/2"

MARKS ON PERSON: NONE

MEDICAL REPORT: FIT

DATE OF DISCHARGE: KILLED IN ACTION, 27TH JANUARY 1901, VLAKKRAAL

LETTER TO COLONEL OTTER FROM FATHER, ROBERT HAMMOND:

Owen Sound, April 14th, 1902

To Colonel Otter Stanley Barracks

Dear Sir,

Ever since the soldiers received their medals I have thought of writing to you. I do not see why the parents of deceased soldiers who fell in South Africa would not receive their medals their sons who would have received had they returned. Was not their lives given for their country? Were they not as brave as those who lived to return and receive the medals. I for one would like to receive the medal my son would have got had he lived to return. There is one part of it which I think the hardest to bear and that is he was killed by the British by a mistaken order, this we have learned from a comrade who was on the field at the time. His No. Was 129 and his name was Dayton Brown Hammond. Now I hope to hear from you soon about this as we think it right we should receive the medal. He was killed at a place called East Frabickew (sp) on the 27th January, 1901.

Yours truly

Robert Hammond

Spring Mount, Ontario

April 14th, 1902

To Colonel Otter

Dear Sir,

I opened this letter again just to mention that my son was in C Battery for a year and was then allowed to come home but reinlisted in Howard's Scouts and was with them from 1st Dec. until the 27th Jan. 1901 the day he was killed.

Robert Hammond

Spring Mount, Ontario

FROM: KNOWING NO FEAR, The Canadian Scouts in South Africa 1900-1902 by Jim Wallace. (Quoted for research purposes only)

On January 27th, Alderson's column marched via Kleinfontein and Tweedracht to Kameelkraal. Two companies of the Mounted Infantry went to the left via Puntlift to Witfontein then back to Roodekoppies along the right bank of Bronkhorstspruit, driving about 60 Boers ahead of them. As they moved forward, the Scouts suffered their first fatal casualties at Vlakkraal, when Sergeant Major Duncan McGregor and Sergeany Dayton Hammond were killed, Sergeant Walter Gordon was wounded and one of the Scouts' Colt guns was captured by the Boers. As Anderson's column moved forward, with Knox's column on their right and Campbell's on their left, the Canadian Scouts formed a screen well in advance of the main column. Seventy-five Scouts had to keep in touch with both flanking columns over a front of twelve miles. Lieutenant Ryan, with five men and a Colt ghun, was ordered to fill a gap of about a mile and a half in the centre where the main road ran.

After advancing some 15 miles, Ryan's men found no sign of the enemy. Two of his Scouts were in advance and Ryan could see them going to a farmhouse ahead of him. When he a small kopje on the right he sent a man to see if it was occupied and watched him as he went over the hill. When Ryan was within a few hundred yards of the farmhouse he saw two men who, he believed, were the two he sent forward. When one of the men waved to him, Ryan told Sergeant Major McGregor, who was incharge of the gun, to stay where he was with Sergeant Hammond while he, Ryan, checked to see if the way was clear. Ryan then put the spurs to his horse and when within a hundred yards of the house saw a figure in khaki, with a felt hat, wave his hand and go around the corner of the house. Ryan followed him "around the corner.... Into the arms of seventy-five Boers with their rifles looking me in the face." He found his men, other than McGregor and Hammond, had been taken prisoner and one of them, Sergeant Gordon, was shot and wounded when he attempted to escape.

The Boer who decoyed Ryan then walked to the front of the house and waved McGregor forward with the Colt gun, When he was about sixty yards out, McGregor sensed that something was wrong so dismounted and unlimbered the gun. The Boers immediately opened fire, killing both McGregor and Hammond. Ryan said the Boer commander Prinsloo, and his staff were dressed in khaki, some with helmets and others wearing felt hats turned up at the side with a badge of the Transvaal coat of arms. When Ryan was captured, he talked to Prinsloo for three quarters of an hour and was then allowed to send for an ambulance. Prinsloo told Ryan to stay with his badly wounded man until the ambulance came then he and his Burgers left, retireing to the silver mines and Kromdraai. The ambulance arrived about three hours later.

When Ryan reported to Anderson, the general was of the opinion that it had been no place to send a gun and Ryan should have been provided with an escort so he was cleared. Major Howard was, understandably, highly upset at the loss of the Colt gun and he quickly set off with a few Scouts to track it down. The party returned early the next morning after an unsuccessful search and Howard to his men that any individual or group who recaptured the gun would be given $500.00. Within a few weeks a portrait of Sergeant McGregor was unveiled at the Gladstone Avenue School in Toronto where he had been a puple.

There is some mystery surrounding the reports on the death of Sergeant Hammond. In his documents there is a letter from his father (see above) to Lieutenat Colonel William D. Otter, which states "There is one part of it which I think the hardest to bear and that is he was killed by the British by a mistaken order, this we have learned from a comrade who was on the field at the time." Presumably the "mistaken order" was sending Ryan forward without an escort for the Colt gun, but this is not explicit in the letter and it is clear from Ryan's account that the casualties were directly from Boer fire.

End Quote.....

After receiving the letter, Colonel Otter started the paperwork to have the medal delivered to Hammond's father.....

The medal was presented to Mr. Robert Hammond personally by Colonel Otter in May of 1902.....

The nice thing is I know the location of the Queen's South Africa Medal awarded to Sergeant Major McGregor which might be for sale at some time in the future.....

Mike

The last ones......

Hope you enjoyed......

Mike

And some more......

More Pictures.....

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Good Morning Ladies and Gentlemen......

Not in my field of collecting but had to pick this up.....

Not cheap but in such a complete condition could not refuse....

A 1912 Universal Pattern Cavalry Saddle.....

All parts have the C Broad Arrow marking, Makers Marks and the years 1915 or 1918....

Sorry for the quality of some of the pictures.......

SADDLE

SADDLE BLANKET

SPURS

BRIDAL AND BIT

HALTER

BELLY SINCH (SP) not a horseman.....

WATER BOTTLE

SINCH ROPE

BRUSH.....

Hope you enjoy......

Mike

I think that I should buy a number of Lottery tickets......

Mike

Here is one for you......

7002 Corporal to Quartermaster Sergeant Francis John Cook, Volunteer Service Company West Riding Regiment.....

Victoria - Queen's South Africa Medal

Edward VII - Volunteer Long Service and Good Conduct Medal

George V - 1914-18 War Medal, Imperial Service Medal and Bronze Coronation Medal

Mike

A post script......

A person of that rank may or should have rec'd at some time towards the end of the war a Distinguished Service Order or an Officer of the British Empire for services..... I tried a quick London Gazzette search but the name was very common and was unable to find anything.....

Mike

Good Morning......

First of all let me say that the photos in Image Dump did not show.....

From the picture that did show:

He is a Colonel, Staff Officer and from the angle looks like he is wearing a 1939-1945 Star ribbon......

Note this medal was initially called the 1939-1943 Star and the ribbon was produced long before the medal.....

Mike

I've never owned one, but I found these in Gene Ursual's catalogue, Winter 1982-83.

Naming styles will not be reliable.

1. no clasp 407 Trooper C. Hill Canadian Scouts

2. CC, OFS TVL 392 Tpr. W.H. Langford Canadian Scouts

3. CC, OFS, TVL, SA01, SA02 Serjt. W.Y. Birrell Canadian Scouts

4. CC, OFS 620 Tpr. C. Wyatt Canadian Scouts

5. OFS 1323 Pte. C. Johnson Imperial Light Infantry (formerly Canadian Scouts)

I suspect that they might have gone to Wally West's collection, but where they went from there is anyone's guess.

Thank You Michael

I have all of these except Hill........

Mike

SURVIVABILITY OF MEDALS TO CANADIAN SCOUTS

GOOD EVENING GENTLEMEN......

I Have decided to take on the project of compiling a list of all the existing Queen's South Africa Medals either in singles or in groups named to.....

THE CANADIAN SCOUTS

I would ask the assistance of all members of the forum if they can provide me with the following information.....

1. Name, Rank and Regimental Number (Note: Some medals were issued without a Number).

2. Style of Name Unitt: CAN. SCOUTS, CANAD'N SCOUTS, CANADIAN SCOUTS

3. Bars on the medal.

4. If part of a Group the other medals in the group.

5. Country of Location. I do not want any personal information just Country.

All information will be kept confidential and I may possibly be able to pass on some information to you......

Thank you in advance for any assistance that you can provide.....

Mike

One more Picture......