Laurence Strong

Hi Jay


As you probably already know, Russian flags were very similar to the Prussian style. The basic design consists of a central eagle and wreath device, crowned cyphers at each corner and a cross. Variation was provided by the use of different colors and divisions of the cross and/or corners.

In 1797 Czar Paul I authorized new patterns for the army's flags and during the next 2 years each regiment received 1 "white" flag, corresponding with the Austrian or Prussian "Leibfahne" or British "King's Colour", and 1 "coloured" flag per company, corresponding to the battalion or regimental flag of the other nations.



In 1797 the Arkangel Regt - which was in the future Lithuania Inspection - had a "white" flag that had a white cross and green/brown corners and a "coloured' flag that had a green cross and brown corners.

In 1800 Czar Paul I replaced the divisional organization of his army with military districts called Inspections, and authorized new flags in the Inspection colors. However very few of these flags were issued and most regiments continued flying the 1797 flag.

Arkangel received it's new standards on 28/2/1800. Other regiment known to have received the 1800 flag were Moscow and Siberia on 6/3/1800, Smolensk on 7/3/1800, Tauride on 30/3/1800 and the newly raised Lithuania on 2/4/1800 and Kabardinsk on 17/12 1800.

Of the new regiments raised by Paul it appears that the earliest most of them received the new flag was 1805.

The 1800 pattern was carried on staves with a gilt spear tip type finial and the stave colors seem to have been used as a means of identifying regiments within the Inspections.

The Lithuania Inspection 's flags were "white" flag - white cross with red/black corners and a "coloured' flag - black cross and red corners.



Each Regiment got 1 "white" flag and 9 "coloured" flags




Hope this helps some.


:cheers;
Larry

My source is :
Osprey Men at Arms series Flags of the Napoleonic wars (2) Colours, Standard and Guidons of Austria, Britain, Prussia & Russia.

Not going to vouch for authenticity however.....Same RZM # 60 euro cheaper.

http://www.janssen-militaria.com/oscommerce/product_info.php?products_id=2724

Hello Troy

From what I can find out, they are rare mess kit's. Apparently these were issued to SS-VT. Para-military branches like HJ, SA, NSKK etc usualy had larger models (based on older model mess kits) with comparable RZM stamping.

Hope this helps a bit

Larry

What is that medal?

The Militia Long Service Medal was a long service medal awarded by the United Kingdom. Established by King Edward VII by Army Order No. 211 of 1904, the medal was awarded for 18 years of efficient and irreproachable service in the Militia and attending 15 annual camps. In 1906, it was extended to certain militia forces overseas by Royal Warrant. The medal was superseded by the Efficiency Medal in 1930

Larry

Interesting information. Thanks for that Brian

Larry

Sweet one Paul

Larry

Very nice grouping.

What's his full name?

Larry

It appears as that would be correct Frank,

Larry

Hi Jock

I would post the "pip" here. I too am curious as to what it is.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/forum/301-members-valuation-and-identification-forum/

Larry

I would agree with Andreas

http://www.leipziger-muenzhandlung.de/Auktion_Detailseite.AxCMS?lager=05079&los=104

Larry

Interesting. Looking forward to seeing more

Larry

Cant wait for the price of the printers to drop.....Looking forward to more Horatio

Larry

Very nice. Thanks for posting them

Larry

It was awarded to the Indian Forces for three years of non-operational service in India, and replaces the Defence Medal, so I am wondering when they were issued the British Defense Medal....

Larry

Were you able to acquire the lists from NARA?

Hello

Yes I did. IIRC there was no mention. It is only a few pages long and mostly hand written. I will look again

Larry

May I still get copies of 38, 39 and 44/45?

Hi

I tried sending them to you but was having issues with your email addy. Thought I sent you an email with a request to confirm your address, however I can't find it.

Larry

Oh understood, a la "Kelly's Hero's".

I must say I have never seen one built like that.

Larry

The lightning bolt on the lower right makes me think "Signals".

Larry

Larry,

I should have followed my own inclination and entered 1947 which is the year of India/Pakistan partition. I attended the Independence Day parade when I lived in Delhi and it should have been the obvious pick. I am a member now although I don't have much to add to the discussions there. I suppose I could post my Grand Star of Azad Hind.

Regards,

Gordon

Hi Gordon

Glad it got sorted out. I will admit I mostly visit there when I want some info.

Lucky you, India is on my bucket list of places I want to visit. Been wanting to go there since I was a kid.

Larry

Hi Gordon

Try 15 August 1947.....Not much in the thread besides what I posted for you.

Larry

Larry,

Thanks for your help. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find the wing. What exactly is SAGongs? Perhaps you could post a link th where you found the wing.

Regards,

Gordon

Hello Gordon

As the OP, I figured you have the wing.........

SAGongs is South Asia Gongs, Ed Haynes forum

http://sagongs.ipbhost.com/index.php?

And here is the link to my request for ID.

http://sagongs.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5304&hl=

Larry

Hi Gordon

It is an Air India Flight Purser's half wing. The IAF never wears metallic or plastic wings.

Got my info from over on SAGongs.

Hope it helps

Larry

I was a little boy when I visited Cassino. Thanks for the photo's

Larry

Hello Antonio

You are welcome

Larry

Hello Antonio

You will find some of them, I found 18 Army and 121 Div.......

http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/

In the "Truppenkennzeichen" page

Larry

I wonder if they are targets on a gun range? The reversed "Balkenkreuz" to me seems like aiming points....center of the rear and the turret....

My thoughts

Larry