Laurence Strong

Your welcome. If you are serious about collecting post independence India, I would seriously recommend you invest in this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Medals-Decorations-Independent-India-Chhina/dp/8173047197

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On ‎3‎/‎9‎/‎2016 at 07:41, Brian Wolfe said:

Hi Laurence,

David's question (thank you David) started me on a quest as I was sure I had an example in the collection, I was surprised to find I do, in fact, not have one; so much for my memory.  I thought that perhaps I could take a photo of an example from Ed's book (giving full credit of course) but was even more surprised to find none there either.  This leds me to think that it has to be quite rare indeed.  I had to search but there is mention of the Suraksha clasp to the Samanya Seva in Ed's book but it is under the Garaj Star on page 111 near the bottom of the page.

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Brian

 

Thanks for that Brian I missed that.

If you go to page 106 you will find it states (3rd paragraph) "The existing Samanya Seva medal......could not be awarded in this case since issues of political expediency....."

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I would like to see one as well.

Curious that there is no mention of a Suraksha (Security) clasp to the  Samanya Seva Medal 1965 in Ed's book.

Or here.....

http://sagongs.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=107&hl=%2Bsamanya+%2Bseva+%2Bmedal+%2B1965

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Hello David

Welcome to GMIC.  :)

In response to your question:

The Sangram Medal was awarded for service during the 1971 conflict between India and Pakistan. The medal was given to all categories of personnel who served in the military, paramilitary forces, police, and civilians in service in the operational areas of Kashmir, Punjab, Gujarat, Rajasthan, West Bengal, Assam, Meghalaya, Mizoram or Tripura between 3 Dec 1971 and 20 Dec 1972 - both dates inclusive - Those who had qualified for the Poorvi Star, and the Paschimi Star automatically qualified for the Sangram medal.

The Swatantrata Jayanti Medal - 25th Independence Anniversary Medal was issued to all those who qualified on the 15 Aug 1972.

So if you did not serve in one of the previously mentioned areas you would not receive the Sangram medal but would still receive the  Swatantrata Jayanti Medal.

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My source: Medals and Decorations of Independent India by Ed S. Haynes and Rama T. S. Chhina

To me it's a bog standard carrier with the correct amount of wheels 1 -2 -1 -1

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Seen. Thank you. 

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Many thanks to both of you for the info. Going to have to buy that book.

Kris could you forward a link to  the photo you posted.

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Sonderführer.

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Older HV officer

Another HV officer

Another one

On ‎2‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 09:14, Stuka f said:

A collegue came up with the sollution.

The medal was a commemorative medal for the 25 years of the inauguration of the reign of Leopold I.

Ribbon is 37 mm large (in total!); green 1mm/amarant 6mm/ green 23mm/amarant 6mm and green1mm.

Well here is my issue and I am not saying you are incorrect, however on Hendricks page it shows a different ribbon than the one posted.......Could the ribbon be different between the cross and the medal?

http://users.skynet.be/hendrik/  It's in the Leo I section of "Other Medals".

If its a real one it would be extremely rare as it seems only 1000 were issued!!

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Interesting, Here's my contribution..

From a Knights class Leopold I

2nd class cross for the Civil decoration for Long Service.

1st class cross for the Civil decoration for Long Service in the Pompiers et Garde Civil of Leopold l

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Thanks for that

Are they all silver? What's the ribbon for on the first one?

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Would it be possible to get close ups of the medals I have posted?

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Interesting, the exposition was in Nancy that year..

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Nice haul

I too would like a close up of the light blue one, as well as the one below it and to the left. It appears to have the ribbon for the "Commemorative Decoration for the 50th Anniversary of the Belgian Railroad" with the wrong medal.......

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Interesting, thanks for posting it.

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Nice pieces....way out of my league here though. Were any made with the metal insignia?

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Thanks for the reply. I like the T34.

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Are those real helmets?

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Mit Befehl vom 17.Februar 1942 wurde die Aufstellung der „Kampfgruppe Jeckeln“ unter Führung des HSSPF Ostland, SS-Obergruppenführer u. Gen.d.Pol. Friedrich Jeckeln, befohlen, um außer der SS-Polizei-Division auch die 58.InfDiv aus der Leningrader Front bei der 18.Armee herauslösen zu können.
 Die KGr.-Einheiten waren ursprünglich, laut Fernschreiben des AOK 18 vom 18.Februar 1942, das zugeführte V./LSSAH ( 1 000 Mann), die SS-Legion Norwegen (1 100 Mann) und 5 Polizei-Bataillone (je 600 Mann), die in der Zeit v. 19. – 24.2.1942 im Lufttransport herangeführt und gleich in die Front eingegliedert wurden.
 Diese Bataillon sollten derart eingesezt werden, daß Zug um Zug herausgelöst werden konnten:
 a) die SS-Polizei-Division mit Stab ohne Artillerie und ohne das zur Gruppe von Basse eingesetze Bataillon Dörner
 b) drei weitere Bataillone.
 Der Divisionsstab der SS-Polizei-Division sei beschleunigt herauszulösen.

 Die Ausführung dieses Befehles erfolgte dann so:
 V./LSSAH zur 225.ID, Leningrader Front, Abschnitt Urizk
 3 PolBtl zur 122.ID
 1 PolBtl zur 121.ID
 1 PolBtl mit SS-FrwLeg.Norwegen“ zur 58.ID

 Das Pol.ArtRgt blieb mit Masse in den bisherigen Stellungsräumen, wurde dem ARKO 18 unterstellt und auf Zusammenarbeit mit der 121.und 58.InfDiv angewiesen. Der Abschnitt der PolDiv wurde zunächst, zu gleichen Teilen, von der 121.und 58.InfDiv mit übernommen.
 (Friedrich Husemann, Die guten Glaubens waren,Geschichte der SS-Polizei-Division, Band I 1939 – 1942, Munin-Verlag Osnabrück, 2.Auflage 1984, S. 210 – 212)

 Mit seinem Stab übernimmt SS-Ogruf.Jeckeln am 4.März 1942, ab 9:00 Uhr, den Befehl über den Ab-schnitt der 58.ID und nach deren Herauslösung am gleichen Tag noch den gesamten Abschnitt, der von der Küste bis einschließlich Puschkin („Konstantin-Stellung“ ?) reichte.
 Der KGr. unterstanden:
 - IR 320, 212.ID mit 3 Btl., PolBtl 306, PolBtl 121, Rgtseinheiten 13.,14./IR 320, 212.ID
 - RgtsStab IR 409, 122.ID mit AA 158, 58.ID, V./LSSAH, PolBtl 56 und 310, FrwLeg.Norwegen, PolBtl 305
- PzJgAbt 158 (2 Züge), 58.ID, Teile PzJgAbt SS-PolDiv
- 2 leiIG-, 2 sIG-Züge/SS-PolDiv, 5 lei.IG-, 3 s.IG-Züge/58.ID
- AR 158 – 1 lei.Bttr., 1 s.Bttr/58.ID, AR SS-PolDiv

 Rechts anschließend lag die 121.InfDiv. Bald traten auch bei der KGr.Jeckeln Veränderungen ein, Einheiten wechselten ihre Abschnitte, andere wurden abge-zogen und neue zugeführt.
 (Husemann, Podiv, I, S.211-212,s.a. Karte S.149,s.a. 121.ID, S. 97 ff)

 Den ersten Hinweis auf das GR 538 habe ich aber erst später und er ist auch der einzige dieser Art:
 Am 25.April 1942, um 0.00 Uhr, übernahm die KGr.Jeckeln den gesamten Küstenabschnitt zusätzlich, d.a. also bis zum Oranienbaumer Kessel. Dazu wird anscheinend die FrwLeg.Norwegen der KGr. neu unterstellt, diese Legion wird einige Wochen später durch das III./IR 538 abgelöst und übernahm nach mehrtägiger Ruhe ab 26.5.1942 den Abschnitt des II./IR 538 vor Pulkowo, in dem immer noch die 2. (Gabel) und 3.Batterie (Etthöfer) der I./Pol.AR in ihren Feuerstellungen waren.
 (Husemann, PolDiv, I.,S. 198 )

 Die KGr.Jeckeln besteht bis zum 13.8.42 und unterstand während der ganzen Zeit dem L.AK, AOK 18. (Husemann, PolDiv, I, S. 212)

A very rough translation

With instruction from February 17, 1942, the formation of the "Battle Group Jeckeln" under the leadership of HSSPF Ostland Gen.d.Pol was obergruppenführer u.. Friedrich Jeckeln, ordered to detach except the SS Police Division also 58.InfDiv of the Leningrad Front in 18.Armee can.
 The KGr. units were originally, according telex of 18th Army from February 18, 1942, the fed V. / LSSAH (1 000 men), the SS Legion Norway (1 100 men) and 5 police battalions (each 600 men ), which in time v 19 - were brought 02/24/1942 in air transport and immediately incorporated into the front..
 This battalion should be eingesezt such that train by train could be extracted:
 a) the SS Police Division with staff without artillery and without belonging to the group is set battalion of Basse Dörner
 b) three additional battalions.
 The divisional headquarters of the SS Police Division was extract accelerates.

 The execution of this command was then carried out as follows:
 V. / LSSAH to 225.ID, Leningrad Front, Section Uritsk
 3 PolBtl to 122.ID
 1 PolBtl to 121.ID
 1 PolBtl with SS FrwLeg.Norwegen "to 58.ID

 The Pol.ArtRgt remained grounded in the previous assembly areas, was the ARKO 18 subordinate and dependent on cooperation with the 121.und 58.InfDiv. The portion of PolDiv was initially taken in equal parts, by the 121.und 58.InfDiv with.
 (Friedrich Husemann, in good faith, were history of SS Police Division, Volume I 1939-1942, Munin-Verlag Osnabrück, 2nd edition 1984, pp 210-212)

 With his staff accepts SS Ogruf.Jeckeln March 4, 1942 from 9:00 clock, the command of the ex-cut the 58.ID and after their disentanglement on the same day the entire section of the coast up to and including Pushkin ("Constantine" position?) enough.
 The battle group. were subject:
 - IR 320, 212.ID with 3 Battalion, PolBtl 306 PolBtl 121 Rgtseinheiten 13, 14 / IR 320, 212.ID..
 - RgtsStab 409th, 122.ID with AA 158, 58.ID, V. / LSSAH, PolBtl 56 and 310, FrwLeg.Norwegen, PolBtl 305
- PzJgAbt 158 (2 trains), 58.ID, parts PzJgAbt SS PolDiv
- 2 leiIG-, 2 SIG trains / SS PolDiv, 5 lei.IG-, 3 s.IG trains / 58.ID
- AR 158 -. 1 lei.Bttr, 1 s.Bttr / 58.ID, AR SS PolDiv

 Right then lay the 121.InfDiv. Soon also occurred in a KGr.Jeckeln changes, units changed their sections, others were abge-coated and supplied new.
 (Husemann, Podiv, I, S.211-212, sa map p.149, sa 121.ID, S. 97 ff)

 The first indication of the GR 538, I have to start later and he is also the only one of its kind:
 On April 25, 1942 at 0.00 clock that KGr.Jeckeln took over the whole stretch of coast in addition, since ie until Oranienbaumer boiler. For this purpose, apparently the FrwLeg.Norwegen the battle group. newly assumed this Legion is a few weeks later replaced by the III. / IR 538 and took over after several days of rest from 05.26.1942 the portion of the II. / IR 538 before Pulkovo, where still the second (fork) and 3. Battery (Etthöfer) of I. / Pol.AR were in their firing positions.
 (Husemann, PolDiv, I., p. 198)

 The KGr.Jeckeln there until 08/13/42 and shelter during the whole time the L.AK, AOK 18 (Husemann, PolDiv, I, p 212)

Found here:

http://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/index.php/Thread/4146/

Hope it helps some

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Hello Ed

Flak, it's the abbreviation for "Flugabwehrkanone" and is German for AA gun.

Red was the waffenfarbe for AA

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Hello Ed

It appears to be a Luftwaffe cap, minus the eagle.

Regrettably I don't know enough about caps to say if it is genuine or not.

If the piping is red (it looks brown on my monitor) if would indicate "Flak" and if Brown it would be for "Signals"

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Here's a couple your missing

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I was thrown by this symbol (red arrow), I checked your "Vein" thread and there was no matches there nor did it match my case (below) and at that point I was not sure.......

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Thank you

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what is this case for?

many thanks

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