dagger

[pikestaff]

Good morning gentlemen, a long standing friend of mine would like to know if this dagger is original, I was supprised to learn that the handle fittings are steel, the grip is solid ivorine or celluliod, the grip wrap is doubled twist, and most of the silver plating has rubbed off the pommel.

thanks in advance.

[J Temple-West]

Hi Pikestaff,

I?m moving this thread over to the ?German swords and daggers? section so that the ?Blade? guys can have a good look.

I can only say that all 2nd model examples of this maker that I?ve come across have had aluminium fittings. The other thing that has me a worried is the maker mark. Not only is it too simplistic to be an original, it has ?Berlin? instead of ?Solingen? as the location of the factory. As far as I?m aware, ?Weyersberg? only operated from Solingen.

So, all in all, I would have to give this one the thumbs down.

I've posted the MM from my 1st model luft.

Let?s see what the guys in the know have to say.

[pikestaff]

Hi Pikestaff,

I?m moving this thread over to the ?German swords and daggers? section so that the ?Blade? guys can have a good look.

I can only say that all 2nd model examples of this maker that I?ve come across have had aluminium fittings. The other thing that has me a worried is the maker mark. Not only is it too simplistic to be an original, it has ?Berlin? instead of ?Solingen? as the location of the factory. As far as I?m aware, ?Weyersberg? only operated from Solingen.

So, all in all, I would have to give this one the thumbs down.

I've posted the MM from my 1st model luft.

Let?s see what the guys in the know have to say.

[pikestaff]

Hello, thank you for that, yet it looks so well made, the scabbard shows real signs of age, and the grip furniture is so 'crisp' the hangers show wear to match the dagger as well, I am dumbfounded!!!!

many thanks

Pikestaff

[Redbaron]

Hi Pikestaff

J Temple-West is quite right, this is a well known reproduction. There are many faults, but the obvious one is the Weyersberg-Berlin mark. The ONLY acceptable logo has Solingen. Of interest, almost all Weyersberg 2nd Luft daggers have the Waffenampt above the makers mark. If I recall correctly, there were a few Berlin distributor marked daggers, however the only maker in Berlin was Haco.

Red

[pikestaff]

Hi Pikestaff

J Temple-West is quite right, this is a well known reproduction. There are many faults, but the obvious one is the Weyersberg-Berlin mark. The ONLY acceptable logo has Solingen. Of interest, almost all Weyersberg 2nd Luft daggers have the Waffenampt above the makers mark. If I recall correctly, there were a few Berlin distributor marked daggers, however the only maker in Berlin was Haco.

Red

[pikestaff]

Hello , thank you for the confirmation,no wonder my mate was given it! I hope no one makes hangers since that war, as they look pucka, and the knot.

many thanks

Pikestaff

[J Temple-West]

Pikestaff,

There's every chance that the hangers and knot are original. Quite an easy job to marry hangers/knot to a dolch, original or fake.

Is there any chance of posting some pix of same? You never know, if original, it could help to soften the blow of the news on the blade.

[pikestaff]

Pikestaff,

There's every chance that the hangers and knot are original. Quite an easy job to marry hangers/knot to a dolch, original or fake.

Is there any chance of posting some pix of same? You never know, if original, it could help to soften the blow of the news on the blade.

Hello, yes, I'll do some scans now and get them in as soon as I can

highest regards

Pikestaff

[pikestaff]

Hello all, herewith scans of hangers and knot, fingers crossed!!!

rgds

Pikestaff

[J Temple-West]

Looking at the front of the hangers, the material shows as being brown. I'm hoping that it's just the lighting as it should be blue-grey. If it is blue-grey, I have to tell you that you have a very nice set of deluxe hangers, and from what I can see...the knot looks like a goodun!!

Not all bad then.

[pikestaff]

Looking at the front of the hangers, the material shows as being brown. I'm hoping that it's just the lighting as it should be blue-grey. If it is blue-grey, I have to tell you that you have a very nice set of deluxe hangers, and from what I can see...the knot looks like a goodun!!

Not all bad then.

Hello, the hangers are brown, I did a web search earlier in the week, all the hangers I found looked like they had brown material fronts, and brown velvet backings.

highest regards

pikestaff

[J Temple-West]

Well I?m stumped as to why these hangers would have brown material, never seen that before! The buckles and clips are certainly of the deluxe type found on period pieces.

In the Luftwaffe, brown waffenfarbe = signals, but I?ve never seen a branch colour applied to dagger hangers. Unless?..they?re not Luftwaffe, but some other branch.

I wonder if Red can shed some light on the conundrum?

Calling Jo?burg.. Are you there, Boet

[Redbaron]

The hangers and portapee look good to me. I have seen Luft hangers tone to a dark brown before, not uncommon at all. I would attribute the colour purely to aging, also bare in mind there were variations to begin with amongst a number of makers producing these... Nice set of deluxe hangers there...

Cheers, Red

[pikestaff]

The hangers and portapee look good to me. I have seen Luft hangers tone to a dark brown before, not uncommon at all. I would attribute the colour purely to aging, also bare in mind there were variations to begin with amongst a number of makers producing these... Nice set of deluxe hangers there...

Cheers, Red

Hello, many thanks to you both, now I have to tell my mate it is'nt original........... no wonder he was given it, still, its quite good looking.

highest regards

Pikestaff