leigh kitchen Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 I've never collated information on the British army's drum horses, but as I collect old British army photos & postcards & also old cigarette cards & silks I've come across various representations of them.Cigarette cards can provide detail that can't be found elsewhere so I've read, but they can also provide totally inaccurate information showing the wrong colours or designs of drum banners thanks to artists assumptions.Here's a "Rapheal Tuck & Sons" card of the drum horse of the 5th Royal Irish Lancers, a post Anglo-Boer War Edwardian card showing the Victorian banners in use.
leigh kitchen Posted January 16, 2007 Author Posted January 16, 2007 This is an "E.F.A Military Series" card (were'nt EFA German?), of the drum horse of the 8th Hussars & is postmarked 1905 - sent from West Ealing to Ostende, Belgium.The banners are Victorian although the card is, I believe, Edwardian.
Riley1965 Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 Leigh, GREAT pictures!!! I have saved them to the British file on my computer.Thanks for posting them!!! Doc
leigh kitchen Posted January 16, 2007 Author Posted January 16, 2007 Ta, I'll be digging out & posting more, thy're the sort of things that go great with displays of medals, badges, old fashioned toy soldiers - but mine just live in albums.
leigh kitchen Posted January 17, 2007 Author Posted January 17, 2007 (edited) Silk cigarette cards by BDV, I think that they were issued during WWI.How accurate are these, with those strange looking regimental numerals?These measure about 6" x 4", & were also issued in the smaller conventional size of such cards - a couple of inches by a couple of inches.This one represents the drum banner of the 4th Hussars, with Queen Victorias cypher & crown. Edited April 28, 2007 by leigh kitchen
peter monahan Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 I can't remember who issued these silk cigarette cards, I think that they were issued during WWI.How accurate are these, with those strange looking regimental numerals?This one represents the drum banner of the 4th Hussars, with Queen Victorias cypher & crown.LeighAt a guess, the numbers have been "anglicized" from Roman numerals, so that younger collectors could be sure to "get a set" - that being, of course the reason the cards came out: "Buy more Players, da. I need a number 13!"BTW, I believe the lovely white horse on the first drumm banner card would be described in military parlance (and maybe by civvy horse fanciers too) as a "light grey". Good forbid we should make it easy by uisng everyday language! Lovely cards. I have a very few, somewhere, of the Indian Army, and phtocopies (b&w) of more of the same (c. WWI) - very useful for uniform details, as you say.Peter
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 1st King's Dragoon Guards, Review Order, with Queen Victorias Crown on the drum banners & the Victorian Guelphic Crown on the saddle cloth.Part of the E.F.A. "Military" series produced in Edwardian times in Germany.
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 The Drum Horse of the 2nd Life Guards.This was posted at North West London as a christmas greeting on 24th December 1906, to a Sergt. Major Garton, of Clapham.(Sergeant Major Garton was a member of a yeomanry regiment - I have a photo of him).This card was produced by "Martin, Photographer, Prestwich".
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 (edited) Illustrations from another thread that I'm starting, relating purely to an Edwardian book entitled "Bands of the British Army" by W.J.Gordon, illustrated by F. Stansell & published by Frederick Warne & Co. Ltd.The book refers to the originals of the illustrations having been made "just before the war". I take this to be a reference to the Anglo-Boer War, but some of the illustrations show the Kings Crown & cypher of King Edward VII, so not all were painted before that war. WWI started in 1914, 4 years after King George V came to the throne - it is possible, I suppose, that the illustrations could have been made just before that war, but I would have thought that at least some of the figures illustrated would have worn King George V's cypher by then.The book covers both mounted & foot troops - I'd like to concentrate drum horse photos & information here.All of the drum horses of the cavalry regiments are illustrated.1st King's Dragoon Guards kettle drummer, Queen Victoria's Crown on the drum banners: Edited April 29, 2007 by leigh kitchen
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 (edited) 1st Life Guards, State Dress.It looks like a representation of King Edward VII's cypher on the drummers chest, & possibly the King's Crown on the drum banner. Edited April 29, 2007 by leigh kitchen
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 1st Royal Dragoons, Guelphic Crown on the saddle cloth.
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 2nd Dragoon Guards (Queen's Bays), looks like the Victorian Crown on the drum banner, Guelphic Crown on the saddle cloth.
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 2nd Dragoons (Royal Scots Greys), showing the Victorian Crown.
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 (edited) 2nd Life Guards, looks like the King's Crown on the drum banner. Edited April 28, 2007 by leigh kitchen
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 3rd Prince of Wales's Dragoon Guards
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 3rd Kings Own Hussars, showing the Guelphic Crown.
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 4th Royal Irish Dragoon Guards, Victorian Crown on the drum banners.
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 4th Queen's Own Hussars, Guelphic Crown on the drum banners.
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 5th Princess Charlottes of Wales's Dragoon Guards, Guelphic Crown shown.
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 5th Royal Irish Lancers, Victorian Crown.
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 6th Inniskilling Dragoons, Guelphic Crowns
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 6th Dragoon Guards (Carabiniers), Victorian Crown shown
leigh kitchen Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 7th Princess Royal's Dragoon Guards, Victorian Crown.
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