Jacques Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 It seems that the day of the award ceremony, the members received provisory documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Gordon Williamson just had a KVK2 document in this strange format, with the spaces for more than one award:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1575...indpost&p=12157This Spanish Cross is dated in September 1940...I wonder if it is a REPLACEMENT document for a sailor whose originals were lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted September 15, 2005 Author Share Posted September 15, 2005 In fact this document is sticked inside the soldbuch. but the cross is also listed in the soldbuch ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted September 16, 2005 Author Share Posted September 16, 2005 Here is a full provisory document. It exist for all the classes bronze, silver, gold with or without swords and cross with diamonds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Orchard Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 A question about the spanish cross preliminary doc. I've seen these for the bronze class and note they have ohne Schwerte. Now ive also seen one for the silver class with no further designation, ie. simply 'silver'. Would this make it with or without swords? I notice the formal doc dosen't state ohne schwerter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted September 19, 2005 Author Share Posted September 19, 2005 On the documents, when swords are not mentioned means that the cross is without swords (exemple: the large doc for spanish cross). Sometimes the mention "ohne schwert" is added on the preliminay documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Orchard Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 In Bender's book on the Legion Condor there is an example of a gold preliminary award doc with no mention of swords yet it's captioned in the book as a with swords, which is right as none were awarded.Could an Obergefreiter in 4./LN 88 have been awarded the silver cross without swords or must it have been with swords? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted September 19, 2005 Author Share Posted September 19, 2005 I saw it too concerning the gold cross. I can't explain . But I do think that usually when the swords are not mentioned is for a cross without swords. We can accept exceptions, and the gold cross is one.I read somewhere (Angolia ???)that the crosses without swords were awarded in silver for the officers and bronze for NCO's and privates. If your guy has a paper only with silver mentioned , I think it is again an exception for the spanish cross in silver with swords. It is difficult to make a rule or be definitive with these documents. Not so many are available, and nothing has been writen. The dates also are an issue; the preliminary docs were also sent after the 1939 parades.This is more my feeling than a definitive work.jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted September 19, 2005 Author Share Posted September 19, 2005 For exemple, this doc is for an officer (Stabsartz ) and he got the bronze cross. According to what I read , he might have received the silver cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Orchard Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 This the doc in question, part of a small but very interesting group i've just bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Orchard Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Just adding a proper scan of it. Other papers show he joined the LW as a vehicle mechanic in 1935 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted February 9, 2006 Author Share Posted February 9, 2006 Here is an interesting document for the Spanish cross in silver w/o sword. It is attributed to an interpreter attached to the A/88. Note that it has been delivered in 1940.jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 I've never seen a German award document format like these before! Cutting off the bottom and returning that "stub" for a Final Document must be unique to these!The fact that some of these did NOT have the bottoms torn off and mailed back in suggests ??? the late awardees might have been dead by the end of the first year of the war? Or else just incredibly lazy!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted February 11, 2006 Author Share Posted February 11, 2006 this one is uncut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humberto Corado Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 (edited) this one is uncuthello,one question please, ang. what rank is this???in the previous document.thanks in advance! Edited August 15, 2007 by Humberto Corado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitze Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Hello Humberto,ang. = AngestellterThat means he was a civilian "employee" - perhaps in the bureau or some kind of technician.greetingseitze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humberto Corado Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 (edited) Hello Humberto,ang. = AngestellterThat means he was a civilian "employee" - perhaps in the bureau or some kind of technician.greetingseitzethank you eitze for your help!by the way, there is any way to track the service of a condor legion member??? Edited August 15, 2007 by Humberto Corado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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