Grenadier Hat Plate

[Dmitry]

Hello, gents.

Have had this piece for a while, but gave up on trying to ID the country of origin. At first I guessed Imperial Russia, but looking in my books, nothing similar came up. Perhaps you could help?

Thanks!

Edited January 23, 2009 by Dmitry

[Ulsterman]

what's the size?

Can we see the back please?

[Ulsterman]

I believe you may well have there- a Russian Palace Grenadier Guard bearskin shako plate @ 1830. The Palace Grenadiers were a special, ultra-loyal unit formed by the Czar after the Decemberists' attempted coup in 1825.

Originally, this guard unit used captured (and stored) FRENCH Napoeonic imperial Guard bearskins with the plates changed.

That is why the size is important here. Just the odd sort of thing that has sat on a mantle piece for 250 years or so.

Edited January 23, 2009 by Ulsterman

[Dmitry]

Size is roughly 21 cm x 21 cm. Do you have a reference for the "Russian Palace Grenadier Guard" uniforms? The Decembrist Revolt took part in 1825. The Palace Grenadier company was formed in 1827, from the veterans of the War of 1812. Thank you for the lead. I'll try to reserach this further.

Edited January 23, 2009 by Dmitry

[Ulsterman]

oops-my bad. 1825 then.

Source was memory from a very old Traditions magazine and a Military Modeling article: elephantine memory (often wrong).

[Dmitry]

oops-my bad. 1825 then.

Source was memory from a very old Traditions magazine and a Military Modeling article: elephantine memory (often wrong).

Thanks for the tip. I've got a bunch of the old Traditions magazines in my garage. Will browse them, see if anything comes up.

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I believe you may well have there- a Russian Palace Grenadier Guard bearskin shako plate @ 1830. The Palace Grenadiers were a special, ultra-loyal unit formed by the Czar after the Decemberists' attempted coup in 1825.

Originally, this guard unit used captured (and stored) FRENCH Napoeonic imperial Guard bearskins with the plates changed.

That is why the size is important here. Just the odd sort of thing that has sat on a mantle piece for 250 years or so.

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