Uniform details

[tuomaskoivurinne]

As I keep working on my graphic novel about the Angel of Mons, I'm once again asking for your help.

In Obourg, north-east of Mons, the 4th Bn, The Duke of Cambridge's Own (Middlesex Regiment) faced the heavy German attack on the morning of August 23rd 1914.

As far as I'm concerned, this was the German 18th Division and F?silier-Regiment K?nigin (1.Schleswig-Holsteinisches) Nr.86.

I'm trying to illustrate the correct uniform for these men. From Kaisersbunker-site I gathered the following info on their appearance:

Shoulder straps;

- as they belonged to the IX Armeekorps, and didn't find them in the list of exceptions due to seniority and regimental distinctions, their shoulder strap piping should be Blue, but it might have been actually White (???).

- no regimental number, a Red cypher on the shoulder straps.

Uniform cuffs;

- the Brandenburg pattern, with the vertical panel piped in Yellow (???)

Please, any help would be appreciated.

[KIR]

Hello,

yes the Units from the 18th Division fought in the battle of Mons (from the 23.Aug..-24.Aug.1914):

http://www.militaerpass.net/18id.htm

http://www.1914-18.info/erster-weltkrieg.p...on&start=40

From 1890 (9. September) they changed the regimental number to a red cypher on the white shoulderboards.

(AV = Auguste Victoria, also the Rgt. called now: F?silier-Regiment K?nigin (Schleswig-Holsteinsches) Nr.86)

I think for the IX. Armeekorps, the shoulderboard piping should be white (see attchment).

And I think the Brandenburg pattern are piped in red - or.

Best regards,

Jens

Here some more helpfull links:

http://slesvigske.dk/1914-18/86.2.htm#86.2

http://www.altearmee.de/hilfe/waffenrock2.htm

Edited July 15, 2009 by KIR

[tuomaskoivurinne]

Thanks for replying so quick

I think for the IX. Armeekorps, the shoulderboard piping should be white (see attchment).

You're absolutely right, I seem to have misread this

White: I, II, IX, X, XII, & I Bavarian. Red: III, IV XI, XIII XV, XIX, & II Bavarian. Yellow: V, VI, XVI, XVII, & III Bavarian. Blue: VII, VIII, XVIII, XX. Green: XXI

Exceptions: White: 1st and 5th Garde Regt zu F??, 1st and 5th Guard Grenadiers, Infanterie Regiments 109, 110, 116. Red: 2nd Foot Garde Regt zu F??, 2nd Guard Grenadiers, 11 Battalion 89th Grenadiers, Infanterie Regiments 111, 115, 168, 169, 171 and 172. Yellow: 3rd Garde Regt zu F??, 3rd Guard Grenadiers, Guard F?siliers, Infanterie Regiments 112, 118 and 142. Blue: 4th Garde Regt zu F??, 4th Guard Grenadiers, Infanterie Regiments 40, 113, 145 and 170. Green: 114th Reqt.

And I think the Brandenburg pattern are piped in red.

That was my thought also, then I browsed through this list (or is it just another 1890 modification?):

http://www.kaisersbunker.com/gtp/New/infantry1.htm

http://slesvigske.dk/1914-18/86.2.htm#86.2

GREAT!

Edited July 16, 2009 by tuomaskoivurinne

[KIR]

....That was my thought also, then I browsed through this list (or is it just another 1890 modification?):

http://www.kaisersbunker.com/gtp/New/infantry1.htm

Hi, no - I think that's only for the Bunter Rock (like: Blauer Friedensrock Modell 1895, etc..).

Best regards,

Jens

[leigh kitchen]

The "Angels of Mons" origimated as "Bowmen" did'nt they? Subject of a short work of fiction by Arthur Machen, the English bowmen of Agincourt coming to the rescue of the BEF.

I have a book on the book & the Angels & Bowmen somewhere, & WWI postcards that show angels or bowmen or similar in the sky, inspiring & protecting British troops.

[Chip]

Here is a pair of the M07 shoulder straps.

Chip

[tuomaskoivurinne]

Great! Thank you.

Anyone have any idea of the cuff-issue?

Edited July 18, 2009 by tuomaskoivurinne

[Chip]

I believe that with the 1907 field uniform regulations all infantry units (non-J?ger) either had ponceaurot Patten piping (as in the photo KIR attached) or none at all.

Chip