tjones Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Friends - I also posted this in the identifications corner, but I know that not all members go there so I'll put the question here as well, if you don't mind. Do you think the cross belt plate in the photo is late Victorian? In other words, do you think it's over 100 years old? It looks to me to be that old, but I am not terribly knowledgeable about the subject. All opinions accepted with many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjones Posted October 13, 2010 Author Share Posted October 13, 2010 Here is a photo of the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QSAMIKE Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Good Evening...... The regiment that you are looking for is..... THE HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY...... This is not I am afraid a Victorian piece...... I cannot find my book on cross belt plates and buttons right now but I thinkit is from the George V and VI era...... 1910 to the early 1950's...... Willsend you the reference as soon as I find it...... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Hi - Mike. I identified this (on Collectors Corner) as late Victorian and into Edward 7th. Will be interested to see if you can identify as late as the George 5th and 6th. ? Mervyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjones Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 Thank you to Mervyn and Mike for contributing an opinion as to the age of this belt plate. Mike, I would be grateful if you could identify in your book on belt plates and offer a conclusive opinion? (perhaps a photo?) Also, which book is that? (I should probably buy it) Much obliged to you both for helping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QSAMIKE Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Hi - Mike. I identified this (on Collectors Corner) as late Victorian and into Edward 7th. Will be interested to see if you can identify as late as the George 5th and 6th. ? Mervyn Hi Mervyn...... I have checked my book...... "MILITARY SHOULDER BELT PLATES AND BUTTONS bu Major H. G. Parkyn OBE, Published 1956 by Gale and Polden"..... But the problem is it only goes up to 1885 I thought it went on later...... I checked my K and K and the crown on the badge is the Victorian Crown as used on the cap badge...... This got me thinking and so I started checking some old auction catalogues..... I found it in one cataloguge with a full white metal badge and called Victorian...... In another with a Bi-metal badge it was called George V...... There are other units that still keep the Victorian style crowns on some of their badges even after the end of the reign...... Maybe it would be good to post on the British Badge forum and they could tell for certain...... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjones Posted October 15, 2010 Author Share Posted October 15, 2010 Hi Mervyn...... I have checked my book...... "MILITARY SHOULDER BELT PLATES AND BUTTONS bu Major H. G. Parkyn OBE, Published 1956 by Gale and Polden"..... But the problem is it only goes up to 1885 I thought it went on later...... I checked my K and K and the crown on the badge is the Victorian Crown as used on the cap badge...... This got me thinking and so I started checking some old auction catalogues..... I found it in one cataloguge with a full white metal badge and called Victorian...... In another with a Bi-metal badge it was called George V...... There are other units that still keep the Victorian style crowns on some of their badges even after the end of the reign...... Maybe it would be good to post on the British Badge forum and they could tell for certain...... Mike Thanks. In case other members are interested in using the shapes of the various crowns to date badges, there is a good discussion with colour photos here: http://www.diggerhis...adges-index.htm There are four crowns that appear with regularity: the Imperial (State) crown of 1837, the Tudor crown, the Imperial (State) crown of 1937, and St. Edwards crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Maclean Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 The above description on diggerhistory is a bit confusing unless you know what you're looking at first. The crown on the belt plate should I think be correctly be called the "Crown of the Garter on the Star of India" often referred to as the Indian Crown or the flat topped Victorian crown. It's found mostly on Victorian cavalry badges and a couple of infantry badges, the HLI being one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jocktamson Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 (edited) Hi...the Highland Light Infantry SBP does look Victorian. If i am not mistaken the crown is known as the Imperial Crown and was adopted by the HLI in 1881. Queen Victoria was proclaimed Empress of India in 1876. Ive never seen an H.L.I. Shoulder Belt Plate prior to 1902 with the regular Victorian Crown. But in my opinion this is definitely Victorian. Edited November 11, 2010 by jocktamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jocktamson Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 (edited) Just as an after thought...this style of Shoulder Belt Plate was also used by the various H.L.I. Militia and Volunteer battalions but with a blank scroll without the Assaye Battle honour. Edited November 11, 2010 by jocktamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh kitchen Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 The above description on diggerhistory is a bit confusing unless you know what you're looking at first. The crown on the belt plate should I think be correctly be called the "Crown of the Garter on the Star of India" often referred to as the Indian Crown or the flat topped Victorian crown. It's found mostly on Victorian cavalry badges and a couple of infantry badges, the HLI being one of them. Some collectors (including me) tend to refer to this "flat-topped" Victorian Crown as "The Jubilee Crown", others as "The Cavalry Crown" because they associate its use with cavalry regiment's badges - perhaps thinking of regiments such as 21st Lancers were formed originally as The 3rd Bengal European Light Cavalry & were later The 21st (Empress of India's) Lancers. Offhand I can only think of The DLI & HLI who wore the crown on their Victorian era badges. Possibly tThe Hampshire Regiment on some insoignia? I suppose we should put a thread together on the badges with this crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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