Pakistan Medal for Afganistan

[The Monkey God]

Hi Guys,

Can anyone point me in the right direction to where I might ascertain what if any medals Pakistan issues to its soldiers & police officers, for service in the current war againest the Taliban?

MG.

[peter monahan]

Hi Guys,

Can anyone point me in the right direction to where I might ascertain what if any medals Pakistan issues to its soldiers & police officers, for service in the current war againest the Taliban?

MG.

Monkey God

Are you sure such a thing exists? Many armies are leery of issuing awards for 'civil insurrection' duties, as they tend to be political hot potatoes. It may be that soldiers and police serving in anti-Taliban operations qualify for the regular 'time served' / 'long service' awards of their respective services but I wonder whether there is [yet] a specific award for hard and bloody 'internal security' duties.

Any one else have thoughts on this one?

Peter

[The Monkey God]

Monkey God

Are you sure such a thing exists? Many armies are leery of issuing awards for 'civil insurrection' duties, as they tend to be political hot potatoes. It may be that soldiers and police serving in anti-Taliban operations qualify for the regular 'time served' / 'long service' awards of their respective services but I wonder whether there is [yet] a specific award for hard and bloody 'internal security' duties.

Any one else have thoughts on this one?

Peter

Peter, you make an interesting point that I hadn`t considered. I had assumed that Pakistan would issue medals to its soldiers & police in the same vein as Britain does (did) for such campaigns as Northern Ireland?

[peter monahan]

Peter, you make an interesting point that I hadn`t considered. I had assumed that Pakistan would issue medals to its soldiers & police in the same vein as Britain does (did) for such campaigns as Northern Ireland?

You'd think so, yes, but these things are even touchier in Pakistan, where substantial sections of the military sympathize with and even covertly assist the Taliban and other Islamicist extremists. Not a subject likely to be much discussed, at least in public, in that country.

Also, I think I recall that there was some considerable talk, originally, over the awarding a "northern Ireland" bar for the GSM, on the grounds that it was a 'police action', 'internal conflict' or 'a [pic PC phrase of your choice]' and not a pukka 'war'.

Edited February 10, 2011 by peter monahan

[peter monahan]

Well, the Pakistan Army's web site, under "Accomplishments 2010" talks about sports medals awarded and a military competition in the UK in which a PA team placed first. There is also a reference to a video which apparently features 2 soldiers valiantly fighting off "1000 terrorists" in an attempt to 'eradicate terror from the land of the pure', but no mention there or in any news accounts I could find of awards for actions against the talebs and their allies. So, who knows?

[The Monkey God]

Well, the Pakistan Army's web site, under "Accomplishments 2010" talks about sports medals awarded and a military competition in the UK in which a PA team placed first. There is also a reference to a video which apparently features 2 soldiers valiantly fighting off "1000 terrorists" in an attempt to 'eradicate terror from the land of the pure', but no mention there or in any news accounts I could find of awards for actions against the talebs and their allies. So, who knows?

Thanks again Peter, for taking the time to reply to my thread. Think its safe to say, if they were going to award a medal, then they`d have done so by now!

Just out of interest is there a link to the video?

Edited February 11, 2011 by The Monkey God

[peter monahan]

Just out of interest is there a link to the video?

MG

Here is the link to the Pak Army web page: "Images" http://pakistanarmy.gov.pk/AWPReview/ImageGalleries.aspx?rnd=498

If you scroll right to the bottom there is a link to "Glourious Resolve", the documentary I mentioned. I couldn't get it to load - it hung up my internet explorer, but I think it's my server, not the sitye per se.

I see in the Toronto paper today that a Pak. Taliban suicide bomber killed 30 officer cadets and an instructor, at morning 'exercises' [PT, at a guess.] The bomber seems to have been a child in school uniform, though the Taliban phoned ABC news and claimed it was a 'soldier'. Murderous bastards! And by that I mean suing children and the mentally impaired. It could be argued that soldiers are a legitimate target, however killed - I'm not taking that position myself BTW - but using kids is beyond the pale! Perhaps when the struggle ends, and it eventually will, almost certainly with a Taliban loss IMHO, the pakistanis will be able to award something to the brave 'jawans' who fought the fight.

[The Monkey God]

MG

Here is the link to the Pak Army web page: "Images" http://pakistanarmy....es.aspx?rnd=498

If you scroll right to the bottom there is a link to "Glourious Resolve", the documentary I mentioned. I couldn't get it to load - it hung up my internet explorer, but I think it's my server, not the sitye per se.

I see in the Toronto paper today that a Pak. Taliban suicide bomber killed 30 officer cadets and an instructor, at morning 'exercises' [PT, at a guess.] The bomber seems to have been a child in school uniform, though the Taliban phoned ABC news and claimed it was a 'soldier'. Murderous bastards! And by that I mean suing children and the mentally impaired. It could be argued that soldiers are a legitimate target, however killed - I'm not taking that position myself BTW - but using kids is beyond the pale! Perhaps when the struggle ends, and it eventually will, almost certainly with a Taliban loss IMHO, the pakistanis will be able to award something to the brave 'jawans' who fought the fight.

Hi Peter, many thanks for that I couldn`t get it to work either, however, I found this on you tube, which I assume is the same thing, well worth watching if you`ve got 20 minutes or so...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=636z5FfPiJg&playnext=1&list=PLE30BA41973D408F0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdYsDRb_QnQ&playnext=1&list=PLE65744DE980F1BA0