AlecH Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Hello Gentlemen, Last week purchased a mainly cloth convolute, one piece is this cloth Cap Badge shown. Trying to pin it down, I believe its from a Army Cap Badge, but have not been able to find which branch. Do members have any ideas. Best Wishes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spasm Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 AlecH It looks like one of these. Its a breast eagle from 1935, worn by enlisted men and NCOs. The backing was "badge-cloth" abzeichentuch, a close-woven velvetish fabric; this was originally grey, but in late 1935 the renamed Wehrmacht Heer changed the color to a dark blue-green called flaschengrun (bottle-green). Spaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlecH Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share Posted August 26, 2011 Hi Spaz, Thanks for your post and information. I though the thread had bombed as its been up since May without a single reply. I put the post up on a more military uniform orientated site. One member thought it was a m39 for the overseas cap for the Heer. Here's a picture of the back, perhaps it might help - what do you think ? Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spasm Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 (edited) AlecH I believe its an M36 Breast Eagle like this one - front. Count the secondary feathers in mid wing - 4 rather than the 5. Edited August 27, 2011 by Spasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spasm Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 (edited) And the back - notice the "thick" thread and the way it steps. Yep, I believe its a Heer Enlisted man and NCO M36 Breast Eagle. Edited August 27, 2011 by Spasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spasm Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Would've ended up like this on the uniform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlecH Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 Hello Spaz, The second eagle you show - M36 seems the proper match with my eagle first posted. Are you sure its a breast eagle ? I always thought cap badge eagles were soft which mine is and had the excess material tucked behind when it was stichted on the cap. Where as the breast eagles were semi - stiff and had very little excess material or have I not quite got everything in proper focus ? Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spasm Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) AlecH I don't think the stiffness makes any difference - some were made from wool and some made with wire thread. I believe its the size that makes the difference. Some cap eagles had a sewn in cockade so they are easy. Have a look at this and see the difference in size. The breast eagles wingspans vary from 85mm to 95mm but all seem just over 45mm high (well, the ones I have - and I don't have many) with the cap eagles smaller by some way. The breast eagles are the two at the top. I have no idea why I thought yours was a big one........ooops Could be wrong but it makes sense....... Cheers Spaz Edited August 29, 2011 by Spasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlecH Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 (edited) Spaz, I'm on holiday at the moment - no chance to measure the eagle patch. However this afternoon I've spent a couple of hours looking through Helmet Weitze's miltary site - he has three pages of Breast Eagles on offer - I didn't find one, anywhere close to mine. He also has three pages of cap eagles some of them came close. Here's some pictures of the cap eagles. The first Weitze describes as "Cap Eagle for soldier" about 1942 Regards Edited August 30, 2011 by AlecH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlecH Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 More cap eagles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spasm Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 AlecH Looking again at yours and comparing it to the breast eagles, notice how yours has a vertical patch running from the wings 'armpits' to the outside of the swastika roundel. The cap badges all have this in the pictures above - just like yours. All the breast eagles have no vertical line, they have the stitching running round the roundel to the eagle's 'ankles'. So, yours is a cap eagle and I was completely wrong Sorry. So, to start over then. AlecH, what you have there is a nice unused Heer M36 Cap Eagle. Spaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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