drclaw Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) Gents, Chinese orders are my particular interest. I've been researching about an absolutely fascinating chap - Johan Wilhelm Munthe, who was born in Bergen, completed the Norwegian army cavalry school, before sailing to China where he spent the next 50 years of his life. Munthe hitched his star to Yuan Shikai, China's leading strongman of the late Imperial and early Republic era, and rose to the rank of Lieutenant General in the Chinese army. He designed the flamboyant new uniforms of the Republican generals and, I believe, many of the Chinese Republic's new orders which were founded by President Yuan Shikai in 1912, the first year of the Republic. He was the most influential foreigner in China and lived in a Norwegian style house in Beijing with his wife. The following is an abstract of a study I'm currently writing. General Johan Wilhelm Munthe The orders were likely designed by a flamboyant Norwegian adventurer and Yuan Shikai confidant. Johan Wilhelm Munthe was born in Bergen and graduated from the cavalry school in 1886. He sailed for China the following year and joined the Chinese Customs Service under Sir Robert Hart. When war broke out with the Japanese in 1894, Munthe volunteered with the Chinese army. He served as a cavalry instructor under Yuan Shikai and the two became firm friends. During the Boxer Rebellion, Munthe attached himself to the Russian army and was one of the first to enter Beijing with the international relief force. Later, he served as Yuan’s adjutant and rose to the rank of major-general. He returned to Customs after Yuan was forced out by the Prince Regent. When Yuan became President, he promoted his friend to general aide-de-camp and adviser in the Ministry of War with the rank of lieutenant-general. Munthe assumed Sir Robert Hart’s mantle as the most influential foreigner in China. He commanded the elite army regiment protecting the Foreign Legations until his death in 1935. Munthe designed the new military dress of the Republic’s generals that he modelled after the Swedish Royal Guard with their blue uniforms and towering white plumes. It seems Munthe also helped design many of the orders and decorations of the new Republic. In so doing, he followed the path of his one-time superior Sir Robert Hart who designed the Imperial Order of the Double Dragon 30 years earlier. Edited March 16, 2013 by drclaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drclaw Posted March 16, 2013 Author Share Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) Johan Munthe (1864-1935), wearing the dress uniform of a Chinese general that he designed himself. The Norwegian spent almost 50 years in China serving under Sir Robert Hart, the Qing, Yuan Shikai and Chiang Kai-shek. He was a voracious collector of Chinese art which he shipped in crates to a museum in Bergen. Munthe received the Golden Grain Second Class from Yuan and is wearing his friend and patron’s Presidential Inauguration Medal. Among his many decorations were the Order of St Olav, Order of Dannebrog, Legion d'Honneur and the Qing Imperial Order of the Double Dragon (Second Class, Third Grade). He is buried in Beijing. Edited March 16, 2013 by drclaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drclaw Posted March 16, 2013 Author Share Posted March 16, 2013 It is widely known that Munthe designed the uniforms of the Republic's generals. I've also come across tantalising hints that as Yuan Shikai's general aide-de-camp and adviser, he also designed the orders of the new Republic like the Order of the Striped Tiger, the Golden Grain, the White Eagle, etc. I have not been able to find definitive references however. If anyone knows more about Munthe, I'd love to learn. The definitive biography was written by J. Huitfeldt and published in 1990. Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate a copy. It is also in Danish which is one of the (many) languages outside my competence. Gavin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drclaw Posted March 16, 2013 Author Share Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) For interest, here is the "Old" and "New" uniforms as modelled by Yuan Shikai. The first is as a Qing general - understated and elegant in my personal view. The second is in the bling new uniform designed by Munthe. The top breast star is that of the Great Merit Order (Da Xun Zhang, aka the Grand Order). This was founded by Yuan as the Republic's highest honour. It was virtually identical to the Qing Great Precious Order (Da Bao Zhang) founded the previous year by the last Emperor Puyi, and depicted the Twelve Symbols of Imperial Authority! http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2013/post-11630-0-26252900-1363421232.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2013/post-11630-0-86927200-1363421255.jpg Edited March 16, 2013 by drclaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingcommander Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Look into: http://www.pbase.com/vikingspirit/general_munthe here you will find several photos of Munthe in China and some of his activities !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingcommander Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Anybody who know where he is buried - a photo ? or address ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingcommander Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 The Uniformis close to a copy of the Swedish Guard Uniforms - used today. Yuan Shih-Kái ´s uniform was design by Munthe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I think Munthe deserved some of his orders for his fabulous moustache, that must have taken some growing.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingcommander Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 It is widely known that Munthe designed the uniforms of the Republic's generals. I've also come across tantalising hints that as Yuan Shikai's general aide-de-camp and adviser, he also designed the orders of the new Republic like the Order of the Striped Tiger, the Golden Grain, the White Eagle, etc. I have not been able to find definitive references however. If anyone knows more about Munthe, I'd love to learn. The definitive biography was written by J. Huitfeldt and published in 1990. Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate a copy. It is also in Danish which is one of the (many) languages outside my competence. Gavin I have heard that the KODE (museum of Bergen) will get a new print of the issue within 2014 se also my link on http://www.pbase.com/vikingspirit/general_munthe_200132228323559365573394529305 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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drclaw Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 Thanks for the great link Vikingcommander. Plenty of extraordinary images there. The Museum has Munthe's original Chinese Republic dress uniform plumed hat. I'd wager there wouldn't be more than a handful of these left in the world. Do you know if the Museum also has his decorations? I believe he also received the Double Dragon. You can also see the Order of the Golden Grain in the portrait above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingcommander Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Johan Munthe (1864-1935), wearing the dress uniform of a Chinese general that he designed himself. The Norwegian spent almost 50 years in China serving under Sir Robert Hart, the Qing, Yuan Shikai and Chiang Kai-shek. He was a voracious collector of Chinese art which he shipped in crates to a museum in Bergen. Munthe received the Golden Grain Second Class from Yuan and is wearing his friend and patron’s Presidential Inauguration Medal. Among his many decorations were the Order of St Olav, Order of Dannebrog, Legion d'Honneur and the Qing Imperial Order of the Double Dragon (Second Class, Third Grade). He is buried in Beijing. Roald Atle Furre . According to info He died in Beijing -he was a freemason. The Grand Lodge in Beijing had a procession from his home in Beijing - to the church where high ranked Chinese and many celebrities joined in the church before the walked to the Railwaystation in Beijing and he was sent to Tientsin to the Cemetery there. See may web: http://www.pbase.com/vikingspirit/general_munthe_200132228323559365573394529305 Johan Wilhelm Normann Munthe.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingcommander Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) Gents, Chinese orders are my particular interest. I've been researching about an absolutely fascinating chap - Johan Wilhelm Munthe, who was born in Bergen, completed the Norwegian army cavalry school, before sailing to China where he spent the next 50 years of his life. Munthe hitched his star to Yuan Shikai, China's leading strongman of the late Imperial and early Republic era, and rose to the rank of Lieutenant General in the Chinese army. He designed the flamboyant new uniforms of the Republican generals and, I believe, many of the Chinese Republic's new orders which were founded by President Yuan Shikai in 1912, the first year of the Republic. He was the most influential foreigner in China and lived in a Norwegian style house in Beijing with his wife. The following is an abstract of a study I'm currently writing. General Johan Wilhelm Munthe The orders were likely designed by a flamboyant Norwegian adventurer and Yuan Shikai confidant. Johan Wilhelm Munthe was born in Bergen and graduated from the cavalry school in 1886. He sailed for China the following year and joined the Chinese Customs Service under Sir Robert Hart. When war broke out with the Japanese in 1894, Munthe volunteered with the Chinese army. He served as a cavalry instructor under Yuan Shikai and the two became firm friends. During the Boxer Rebellion, Munthe attached himself to the Russian army and was one of the first to enter Beijing with the international relief force. Later, he served as Yuan’s adjutant and rose to the rank of major-general. He returned to Customs after Yuan was forced out by the Prince Regent. When Yuan became President, he promoted his friend to general aide-de-camp and adviser in the Ministry of War with the rank of lieutenant-general. Munthe assumed Sir Robert Hart’s mantle as the most influential foreigner in China. He commanded the elite army regiment protecting the Foreign Legations until his death in 1935. Munthe designed the new military dress of the Republic’s generals that he modelled after the Swedish Royal Guard with their blue uniforms and towering white plumes. It seems Munthe also helped design many of the orders and decorations of the new Republic. In so doing, he followed the path of his one-time superior Sir Robert Hart who designed the Imperial Order of the Double Dragon 30 years earlier. Gents, Chinese orders are my particular interest. I've been researching about an absolutely fascinating chap - Johan Wilhelm Munthe, who was born in Bergen, completed the Norwegian army cavalry school, before sailing to China where he spent the next 50 years of his life. Munthe hitched his star to Yuan Shikai, China's leading strongman of the late Imperial and early Republic era, and rose to the rank of Lieutenant General in the Chinese army. He designed the flamboyant new uniforms of the Republican generals and, I believe, many of the Chinese Republic's new orders which were founded by President Yuan Shikai in 1912, the first year of the Republic. He was the most influential foreigner in China and lived in a Norwegian style house in Beijing with his wife. The following is an abstract of a study I'm currently writing. General Johan Wilhelm Munthe The orders were likely designed by a flamboyant Norwegian adventurer and Yuan Shikai confidant. Johan Wilhelm Munthe was born in Bergen and graduated from the cavalry school in 1886. He sailed for China the following year and joined the Chinese Customs Service under Sir Robert Hart. When war broke out with the Japanese in 1894, Munthe volunteered with the Chinese army. He served as a cavalry instructor under Yuan Shikai and the two became firm friends. During the Boxer Rebellion, Munthe attached himself to the Russian army and was one of the first to enter Beijing with the international relief force. Later, he served as Yuan’s adjutant and rose to the rank of major-general. He returned to Customs after Yuan was forced out by the Prince Regent. When Yuan became President, he promoted his friend to general aide-de-camp and adviser in the Ministry of War with the rank of lieutenant-general. Munthe assumed Sir Robert Hart’s mantle as the most influential foreigner in China. He commanded the elite army regiment protecting the Foreign Legations until his death in 1935. Munthe designed the new military dress of the Republic’s generals that he modelled after the Swedish Royal Guard with their blue uniforms and towering white plumes. It seems Munthe also helped design many of the orders and decorations of the new Republic. In so doing, he followed the path of his one-time superior Sir Robert Hart who designed the Imperial Order of the Double Dragon 30 years earlier. Munthe was instructor for a division of Yuan ShiKai´s Cavallerie- In the war between Japan and China - this division was the only one not to give in to the Japanese. Yuan ShiKai understood that Munthe´s instruction and commando was so good that they were a special good team all years to come. Edited March 28, 2014 by Vikingcommander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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drclaw Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 Very interesting photo! Thanks for posting. Would you have a possible date and caption for the photo? The dark blue (Winter) or light khaki (Summer) Western style uniforms weren't introduced until 1910. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuneip Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Does anyone know anything about Johan's (maybe second?) wife Alexandra Grantham (nee von Herder) whom he married in the 1910s eg the date of their wedding. Alexandra's son Alexander Grantham was Governor of Hong Kong from 1947-57 and first cousin of my father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingcommander Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 They married 1917 -or 1919 look into my web about Munthe on Pbase vikingspirit there you will also find a painting of that beautiful woman _.if you search on youtube I have made a short presentation of Johan Wilhelm Normann Munthe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuneip Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 They married 1917 -or 1919 look into my web about Munthe on Pbase vikingspirit there you will also find a painting of that beautiful woman _.if you search on youtube I have made a short presentation of Johan Wilhelm Normann Munthe Thank you for that. Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingcommander Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Colonel Johan Wilhelm Normann Munthe, A.D.C. to the Viceroy of Chihli, was born at Bergen, Norway, on July 27, 1864, and was educated at the Aars' and Voss' High School, Christiania, and at the Royal Cavalry, Christiania. He came to China in 1887, and in September of that year joined the Imperial Maritime Customs service, being stationed successively at Shanghai, Chefoo, and Ningpo. He volunteered for service in the Chino-Japanese War, and in 1894 was detached from the Customs service for military work. During the next six years he re-organised the Cavalry of the North, under His Excellency Yuan-Shih-K'ai, as Colonel and Instructor-in-Chief. As His Excellency Yuan was appointed Governor of the province of Shantung, Colonel Munthe remained in Tientsin preparatory to going home on leave, and was in Tientsin attached to the Russian General Staff as special intelligence officer during the Boxer trouble. He took part in all the engagements in and around Tientsin, the march to Peking, and the storming of the Capital. He was decorated by the Tsar of Russia with the Russian Military Order (St. George) "for repeated acts of gallantry during the late disturbances in China"; and also received the Russian War Medal, 1900-1. During 1901-2, he was on leave, and, on his return, he was appointed Colonel by imperial decree, and Aide-de-Camp to His Excellency Yuan-Shih-K'ai, who had meanwhile been appointed Viceroy of Chihli. Colonel Munihe was decorated bv the French Government, as a Chevalier de la Legion d'Honneur, in 1905; by the Chinese Government with the Order of the Double Dragon, Third Division, First Class, Knight Commander, First Class, in 1907; and COLONEL MUNTHE. A.D.C. to His Excellency the Viceroy of Chihli. By the Norwegian Government as a Knight of the First Class of the Order ol St. Olav, in the same year. The Norwegian General Johan Wilhelm Normann Munthe in his Light Uniform sitting very close to Yuan Shi Kai. The responsible for 12500 elite soldiers together with 2 German officers. He was a honorable General until he died (13th of May 1934) in Beijing and brought to Tiensin by train. Some of the Money created by General Johan Wilhelm Normann Munthe - with VIKINGSHIP !! ;) http://www.pbase.com/vikingspirit/image/84119376 http://www.pbase.com/vikingspirit/image/87987031 http://www.pbase.com/vikingspirit/image/84119387 There are loads of info also on Hart if you look into this web..... http://www.pbase.com/vikingspirit/general_munthe_200132228323559365573394529305 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingcommander Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) This is a documentation -that JWNM was a Freemason and he also Joined the Grand Lodge of Freemasons in Massachusetts, Masons Membership 1733-1990 More info about JNWM Edited May 24, 2016 by Vikingcommander More info about JNWM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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