lippe detmold Extremly rare document group of the last commander of Detmold´s last army / Major Hermann Kellner II

[prestonhudman]

swords, Goetze medals and Hanover medals, Margurite Goetze Kellner, E. Marx & H. Kellner SS Berlin 95 NSDAP member and Wondervogel, Gustav Adolf Kellner aka Hermann Kellner, Erich Marx art collector from Berlin, fencing, Dorthea Kellner Shwartz, Russel Schwartz, arrived from Germany in New York around 1920, the number 9 carved into the sword handle, star of David on the saber, the shoulder boards with "II" on them, a French legion of honor medal... 

 

I think those are all the puzzle pieces.  Would it help to see the saber better? I'm sorry but this just screams important that we figure this out. 

 

I think if we can learn more about the E. Marx fraternity badge and what it means to be an NSDAP member this case will crack wide open. 

 

Bruh its totally something N4z1 related bro I mean what if this is some name changing for THAT reason bro. Gustav Adolf Kellner... Bro do I have Hitlers own Saber? lol. Sorry if I sound dumb, I really don't know my history. 

 

I'm certain this stuff belongs to a NSDAP member named Herman Kellner as well as an E. Marx I mean how many could there be? Maybe they renamed the medals to hide identity?

[prestonhudman]

Eduard Marx is an SS general, and Hermann Kellner was an SS officer. I mean those two ppl exist. So perhaps it's Eduard giving it to Kellner in 1895 years before the nazi party? Maybe Kellner is the 9th NSDAP member. The list I saw stopped at 8 and stated again at 12. 9 is carved into the handle of the sword with 9 dots.

 

im working so hard on this.  AI says langensalza medal could belong to a Hermann Goetze who fought at that time. So maybe A. Goetze on the medal is Adolf Goetze aka Hermann Goetze aka Gustav Adolf Kellner, and he married Margurite Kellner Goetze (So Kellner is her name not Goetze) and then his name changed from Hermann Goetze to Hermann Kellner and in 1895 he was given the fraternity badge by E. Marx and then both E. Marx (Eduard Marx) and Hermann Kellner later joined the SS????

 

That is actually sounding quite good. Just the odds of there being a Hermann Goetze who fought at that time and how all these famous names are everywhere.... and Gustav Adolf is a name used by royalty a lot....i understand its a "common name" but the odds are still incredible that the one name AI can tell me about that langensalza war happens to be Hermann Goetze!?! I asked how it knew that and it said it search historical database USING THE APPROPRIATE KEYWORDS. So of all the names in the world that might combine with Goetze and that particular war AI only knows of one... and its Hermann??  

 

I think I've done pretty good without doing the background checks yet. I should wait to see what others have to say. 

 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by prestonhudman

[prestonhudman]

I'm thinking more and more that A. Goetze on the war medal and H. Kellner on the fraternity medal are the same person! That makes way more sense than his wife having a brother and those being his.

 

I think Adolph Goetze is an alias for Hermann Goetze and they put the alias on the war medal. Perhaps because Gustav Adolf is his royal name, but Hermann is his real name. Then he married Kellner and changed his name to hers perhaps to disconnect his Goetze identity from the Kellner's, which was used for N4z1 related business, Then the family flees from Germany around 1920 to New York. Until someone disagrees, this is my working theory. 

 

Sorry to go on and on. Just trying my best to use my brain here. I'm done now. 

[prestonhudman]

- I leaned that Berlin S.S. is a steamship. So, the fraternity medal is about a steamship journey in 1895, I guess.

 

- The other fraternity medal I show below is the one belonging to Bonneman the NSDAP member. It's almost identical but different logo.

 

- I've seen a similar belt buckle here... 

 

- What's up with the iron cross ring? it says 1914 on it.

 

- The French medal of honor still needs to be explained if possible.

 

- Note I added the N4Z1 stuff in the last picture because I'm including all of this stuff when I list it for sale someday. I'd like to know what sort of helmet this Goetze/Kellner person would have worn. The person that sold this too me says he's got more stuff, and I intend on trying to win that stuff as well if I can make sense of it all by then. buying more of it while still in the dark would be sort of lame. This Goetze/Kellner person is my guy. I must learn who he is exactly. He's the number 9 just like me.

 

found this... https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/search/gustav-adolf-graf-von-goetze

 

Gustav Adolf Goetze??? 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by prestonhudman

[prestonhudman]

So, the Langensalza medal is from 1866 yet Adolf Gustav Hermann Kellner and his wife Margarete Goetze were born in 1873 and 1877 so "A. Goetze" must be her father I'd imagine.

 

So, anyone know anything about a Gustav Adolf Hermann Kellner born in Germany 1873? Or his wife Margarete Goetze or her father A. Goetze who fought at Langensalza? 

 

I now think that the medals and swords are older than Hermann and Margarete and belong to Margaretes father A. Goetze. As for the fraternity medal that names Kellner I think that belongs to Gustav aka Hermann and is unrelated to the war medals named to Goetze.

 

So, It's a Goetze > Kellner family collection. Most of the valuables passed down from A. Goetze to his daughter and her husband Hermann Kellner who added the fraternity medal and maybe the ring. 

 

I suppose it's still possible E. Marx on the fraternity medal is Eduard Marx and Hermann could still be related to N4ZI i mean it's possible since a known NSDAP member Bonneman had the same fraternity medal. 

 

So best case scenario is that this is a family collection from Goetze that merged with Herman Kellner who was a N4ZI. I would have to prove that E. Marx is Eduard. The iron cross ring dates 1914 so maybe that belongs to Hermann not Goetze. Right? If the iron cross ring is N4ZI related, then that points towards Hermann being N4ZI related or about to be which strengthens this theory. Or would a guy who fought at langensalza have a 1914 ring somehow?

 

I need to figure out more about Margeret's dad, uncles etc. 

 

I had to give my official theory after all that. 

Edited 42 minutes ago by prestonhudman