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  1. He used to be Director of the Artillerie Werkstatt in Lippsatd (artillery factory). Is it 100 % sure, that the merit cross for home merit was only a civil award or was it also awarded for important war aid? Metze used to fight at the front at least in 1914, before he became director.
  2. The medalbar of Friedrich Metze I like most....of course the ultra rare house order with swords at the ring (unofficial awarded, because the house order with swords was not on stock) ­čśŤ
  3. I guess you are refering to the marked irregularities...I┬┤m not sure about a red flag to be honest. Of course I checked my two crosses (both are not nameless, one came directly from the family) and one of the two also doesn┬┤t have polished edges between the cross-arms, but some irregularities on the surface. The front of Charles┬┤cross is absolut identical to the Zimmermann-crosses I know and I own. To be 100 % sure, you two have it in your hands...
  4. I can confirm...it┬┤s an official awarded cross, not a post-war cross....congrats. And here are two more official awarded crossed from C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim and the ultra rare version in Silver gilden with the box (three times produced and awarded...).
  5. And last but not least three different types of boxes for the Lippe Detmold Hausorden 2.Klasse mit Eichenlaub (house-order 2nd class with oakleaves)
  6. Lippe Detmold Leopoldorden Silberne Verdienstmedaille (Leopoldorder silver merit medal) Preussen Staatspreismedaille f├╝r Landwirtschaft (Prussia Medal for merits in agriculture)
  7. Lippe Detmold Leopoldorden Verdienstkreuz (Leopold-order merit cross) A really rare bird with only three awards...Lippe Detmold Hausorden 3.Klasse mit Schwertern am Ringe Lippe Detmold Rettungsmedaille 3.Modell (live saving medal 3rd type) Lippe Detmold Leopoldorden mit Krone (Leopoldorder with crown 1st type)...also a rare bird Lippe Detmold Leopoldorden Bronze Medaille mit Schwertern (never awarded!!!) And my personal highlight: Lippe-Detmold Hausorden 4.Klasse mit Schwertern am Ringe (4th class with swords at the ring)...only five times produced, never officially awarded Three different Lippe packets Kriegsehrenmedaille Kriegsverdienstkreuz Milit├Ąrverdienstmedaille
  8. Ooooh...now I have to flood the topic with Lippe-stuff, not shown yet..... Lippe Medaille zum Einzug des Grafregenten Ernst 1897 Lippe-Detmold Frauenverdienstmedaille Lippe-Detmold Goldenes Verdienstkreuz zum Hausorden Another later Goldenes Verdienstkreuz zum Hausorden (silver gilden) And another box for the Goldenes Verdienstkreuz Lippe-Detmold Cross for Heroic dees (Kriegsehrenkeuz f├╝r heldenm├╝tige Tat) Lippe Detmold Goldene Verdienstmedaille (golden merit medal) Lippe Detmold Silberne Verdienstmedaille (silver merit medal) Lippe-Detmold Hausorden 2.Klasse mit Eichenlaub (house order 2nd class with oakleaves), late one from Zimmermann another 2nd class with oakleaves...from Godet Lippe Detmold Hausorden 3.Klasse (house-order 3rd class) Lippe Detmold Hausorden 4.Klasse (4th class) from Godet
  9. Grafregent Ernst zur Lippe-Detmold in Rechtritter-uniform...quite seldom to see on pictures... And Prince Leopold IV. zur Lippe-Detmold, wearing the order....
  10. @arb Thanks a lot for the additional information! I guess, he went to Artillerie-Werkstatt Lippstadt already in 1914, as the potential predecessor (and director) left Lippstadt in December 1914. If Ferdinand Metze followed him as the new director, I still have to investigate. @VtwinVince No, it was clear from the beginning, that I won┬┤t keep the father┬┤s group, as there is no link to Lippe-Detmold and that the two groups can be easily separated. In addition the two groups were not a snap and I have to refinance a little bit. @Lukasz Gaszewski It┬┤s even more weird. Ferdinand Metze got the house-order 4.th class Div. A with swords, the medalbar shows the 4th class Div. A with swords at the ring, but the minature-chain shows the 4th class Div. B with swords (awarded only 37 times).
  11. Just to complete the picture I would like to show you what else was coming with this group: It┬┤s the medalbar and the epaulettes of Ferdinand Metze┬┤s father: Oberstleutnant Adolf Metze, Infanterie-Regiment 22 The medalbar shows - Red Eagle Eagle Order 4th class (returned after death) - Order of the crown 3rd class Prussia (returned after death) - Long service cross Prussia 25 years - Order of the Z├Ąhringer lion, knight-cross 2nd class - war memorial medal 1870/71 - war memorial cross 1866 K├Âniggr├Ątz - Century medal Prussia The identification was pretty easy, Adolf Metze was the only one with the surname "Metze" in the Almanach 1904/05 and the medalbar fits exactly to the entry. Best regards Roman
  12. Hi Dave, yes, you are totally right...the Prince was in a rush in November 1918 to get rid all of his remaining awards in his drawers. I just checked his receipt...the award document was sent to him on 20th December 1919 (!!!), although Metze signed the receipt on 15th November 1918, two weeks after the official award date... So this might be another evidence for my theory. Best regards Roman
  13. Of course, he was 86 years old, when he died...mea culpa. There are some additional interesting information, explaining it maybe better. He entered the army at the age of around 20 years (the Prussian century medal is missing, so for sure he entered after 1897), let┬┤s say 1898... From 1898 until 1919 I count 21 years of service. But war time service was counted double (1914-1918 = 8 years instead of 4 years), so the countable years of military service was in 1919 already >= 25 years (17 years of normal service + 8 years of war service = 25 years). I have he list of awards, he received until he got the Lippe order in November 1918 (he had to fill out his receipt for it). In this list e.g. the Friedrich-August cross 1st class from Oldenburg and the civil merit cross from Saxony-Weimar is missing, clearly received after the end of the Imperial monarchy in Germany on 11th November 1918. This also explains, why the Oldenburg cross 1st class is a zinc one, awarded quite late.
  14. Dear all, the following unique group, which recently found its way to me, I would to show: Georg Ferdinand Metze born 18th July 1878 in Moulhouse-Elsa├č died 2nd November 1964 in Bremen at the age of 84 years. The following data of his career I already know: Patent Oberleutnant on 17th September 1909 In 1912 in artillery-regiment No. 22 (XVII. AK) Sent to Artillerie-Werkstatt Spandau (Berlin) Since 19th June 1912 Hauptmann Since 1913 in member of the administration Artillerie-Werkstatt Spandau Between 1913 and 1918 moving to Artillerie-Werkstatt Lippstadt (near Paderborn) Acc. to own notice in November 1918 director of the administration of the Artillerie-Werkstatt Lippstadt Retired as "Major a.D." His medalbar shows: - Eisernes Kreuz 2.Klasse 1914 / Iron cross 2nd class 1914 - Rettungsmedaille Preu├čen / lifesaving medal Prussia (awarded April-May 1917) - Dienstauszeichnung Preu├čen f├╝r 25 Jahre / long service cross Prussia 25 years - Lippe-Detmold Hausorden 4.Klasse Abtl. A mit Schwertern (am Ringe !!!) / Lippe-Detmold house order 4th class Div.A with swords at the ring - Lippe-Detmold Kriegsverdienstkreuz / Lippe-Detmold war merit cross - FA-Kreuz 2.Klasse Oldenburg / FA-cross 2nd class Oldenburg - Hanseatenkreuz Bremen / hanseatic cross Bremen - Verdienstkreuz f├╝r Heimatverdienst Sachsen Weimar / merit cross for civil merit Sachsen Weimar - Braunschweig Kriegsverdienstkreuz / Brunswig war merit cross In addition he got - Eisernes Kreuz 1.Klasse / Iron cross 1st class (935 marked) - FA-Kreuz Oldenburg 1.Klasse / FA-cross Oldenburg 1st class in zinc - Frontk├Ąmpferehrenkreuz / Hindenburg-cross (not shown) At the miniature-chain the hanseatic cross Bremen, one of the iron crosses and one of the FA-crosses Oldenburg is missing. Details regarding the Lippe-Detmold house-order Div. A 4th class with swords at the ring: Five pieces of the house-order 4th class Div. A with swords at the ring (LDH4mXaR) were ordered at C.F. Zimmermann in Pforzheim, but according to the files it was never awarded. Ferdinand Metze received the 4th class with (normal) swords as number 664 on 2nd November 1918. In total this class was awarded 82 times. I have a theory, why the 4th class with swords at the ring is mounted on his medalbar. According to my files there was none 4th class with swords left according to the inventory list of middle of 1919. From the five delivered 4th class with swords at the ring to were missing middle of 1919. So I assume that the order with swords at the ring was given to Metze in order to replace the official awarded one with swords, as he received it just one week before the Prince of Lippe-Detmold resigned. The following pieces are also belonging to this group: ribbonbar with IC2 1914, lifesaving medal, war merit cross Brunswig, hanseatic cross Bremen ribbonbar with IC2 1914, lifesaving medal, merit cross for civil merit Sachsen Weimar, Brunswig cross, FA-cross Oldenburg, war merit cross Lippe-Detmold, hanseatic cross Bremen photo with Hindenburg / Ferdinand Metze stands in front of Hindenburg (1st row, 5th person from right) CDV Ferdinand Metze (without awards) Officers belt from Ferdinand Metze epaulettes of Artillerie-Regiment No. 36 and one single, quite rare epaulette with crossed canons (Hauptmann) for members of the technical institutes of artillerie I hope you like it as I do. If anyone has any additional information on Ferdinand Metze I would be glad to get it. Best regards Roman
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