Who Commanded Grenadier Regiment 10 ca. 1888?

[Guest Rick Research]

Because if these are indeed for Grenadier Regiment 10 (and what other unit COULD they be?) that would date them before 27 January 1889--when the regiment received cyphers for their straps.

What's In Da Box?

Hey! Who Took What's In da Box???

And about time, already!

Photographed by me 5 years ago in the paws of a local collector, and now wondering about possibility of identifying the original owner of these minty fresh, immaculate, and ?? 118+ year old lovelies.

[Chip]

Rick,

I take it that the boards have Prussian Tresse? Also, can you remember from the information on the label, where the supplier was located?

Chip

[Guest Rick Research]

Can't read from the scan-- will get back on this!

[Glenn J]

Rick,

first names later if required:

1880:

Oberst von Gallwitz-Dreyling

Oberstlieutenant von Tschischwitz

1881:

Oberst von Prittwitz und Gaffron

1882:

Oberst von Prittwitz und Gaffron

1883:

Oberst von Prittwitz und Gaffron

1884:

Oberst von Prittwitz und Gaffron

Oberstlieutenant von Roon

1885:

Oberst von Prittwitz und Gaffron

Oberstlieutenant von Roon

1886:

Oberst von Prittwitz und Gaffron

Oberstlieutenant von Roon

1887:

Oberst von Estorff

Oberstlieutenant von Roon

1888:

Oberst von Estorff

Oberstlieutenant Freiherr von Fircks

Regards

Glenn

Edited April 7, 2006 by Glenn J

[Guest Rick Research]

Ah, so only the ONE Oberstleutnant, none of those "aggregiert" surplus baggage types to deepen the suspects pool?

Once again, I'm going from the "most recently worn" assumption, and that these were put away neatly forever when new insignia were required.

Prussian striped tape, red underneath.

The outfitter isn't going to help MUCH since it was Otto Polke Uniforms-Helmets-Military Effects since 1871 at 9 Eichhornstra?e Berlin W. BUT it has a telephone number "Amt VI 6935" which also suggests pre-1900 switchboards. I've never seen the "Office #" on a German phone number AFTER 1900.

Can the regiment be confirmed? What OTHER "10" Prussian unit wore yellow top strap color AND "banjo boards?" (I had originally thought cavalry, which reveals how little I know of pre-1914 insignia.)

[Chip]

Well, it would have to be 10.Grenadiers, but if epaulettes were subject to the same rules as shoulder boards, the line regiments wore the cypher and the reserve regiment wore an Arabic unit number.

Chip

[Guest Rick Research]

Yes BUT

reserve officers before 1914 wore the same uniform as the regulars, distinguished only by the headgear cockade.

The cipher versus number came up 1914-18. There was no "Reserve Grenadier Regiment" (or any other) before 1914.

[Chip]

I suppose it is unlikely then, that these epaulettes date from the 1914-18 era.

Chip

[Glenn J]

Rick,

in 1888 there was one Oberstlieutenant Gustav von Sodenstern ? la suite who was Railway Line Commissioner in K?nigsberg i.P.

Here is the "All Highest Cabinet Order" introducing the cyphers.

Regards

Glenn

[Chip]

Glenn,

Thanks for posting the AKO. It's always nice to see the original document.

Chip

[Guest Rick Research]

Thanks Glenn! I've got to track those "randoms" down as well as possible suspects!